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Tell that to all our BnF winners and place getters when we sitting at or near the bottom of the ladder for most of this century. Sam was voted one of Hawks' three 'Most Valuable Players' by team mates. That is a pretty good accolade. He must be doing a lot right.

I reckon Oscar would do really well at a club like the Swans where there is a strong system, belief in the game plan and belief in the team. Give him a clear role and he will do it very well; no star but can be an excellent soldier.

If our tall fwd option is between Brown and TMac I prefer Tom. They are the same age and by reports are earning/looking for similar $ packages. Brown is accurate for goal but is one dimensional ie runs straight to mark the ball overhead. He doesn't have positional flexibility and is poor defensively. Tom is a better option on each of those 3 features and therefore fits our (confusing) game plan better. We know that Tom has overcome his injuries but don't know if Brown has. We are relying on rumours and reports about Tom's weight gain, and being out of favour with Goodwin. If they can be overcome, I believe Tom can be best 22 again. 2018 shows what he can do with a game plan that uses his strengths. 2019 he played injured in with an erratic game plan. 2020 he was overweight and out of favour. At 28 he still has it in him. Throw in a decent fwd coach and clearly define his role and who knows what might happen. And at the end of 2021 with regular senior games and with only one year left on his sizeable contract he will be a more tradeable. Jackson will be a year further developed and better placed to replace TMac. Brown gives us less list management flexibility. I think we need another tall fwd to help Weideman while Jackson develops. Much prefer it be Tom and keep him for at least one more year.

I believe so. And, if they "promote" Richardson to Mahoney's job "The Peter Principle" phenomenon will again kick in.

That phenomenon has a name: "The Peter Principle"

No problem with Voss or Leppa just not all 3 of them which is what AF was dreaming.

Dream on, Adam. For me it is more of a nightmare: 3 failed first time coaches (Leppitsch, Richardson and Voss) working for a struggling, under pressure first time coach. No thanks!

Really? (Bolded part) Can't see in his cv what credentials/experience he has for the GM role. I hope it isn't a case of: 'the GM position is vacant, Richo is surplus so lets put him in the job'! I've seen it happen many times in organisations, it never ends well.

Hardwick was whinging again! Said tigers were undisciplined in giving up 5 goals from frees and 50m penalties while saying the umps were 'trigger happy' and they should let the players play. His team showed complacency and arrogance before the bounce and played that way. Got what they deserved. Hardwick is up there with Scott on my disliked coach list!

Hardwick may have let slip a way to beat Richmond. He said Brisb made 'long spoils which took their small players out of play'. A simple tactic so when the ball goes to ground the Richmond players are out of position to crumb. For sure, Hardwick will change his strucures to counteract in future. Nonetheless, thought it showed good planning by Fagan and co. Hardwick also said 'their system beat our system'. It is a major achievement to beat the best system in the AFL Shows the value of an easy to follow game plan that is second nature to the players. Wish ours was like that.

Still didn't work. If you send me a message I can respond.

How did you get that from the article?

Tehnically Mahoney doesn't fall in one of those departments as he is the boss of coaching and fitness (and other departments) Will be bitterly disappointed if Mahoney's position isn't reviewed.

It didn't say. Simeon Thomas-Wilson (don't know who that is) did a complete list analysis. Too long to repeat but if there is anyone that interests you I can pick that out. Edit: thought it easier to pm to you - it should be in your inbox.

Tried to send but a message back saying you don't receive messages... Sent

Just to clarify, the article said coaching and fitness and named several people but Mahoney wasn't one of them. That isn't to say his position isn't being reviewed. I thought it was good to get some insight into likely players to be contracted. The review probably explains why Burgess hasn't been recontracted yet - my guess he would take up a sizeable portion of the soft cap.

@Demonland Andy, may I have a copy of the article pm'd to me please.

An interesting update by Sam Edmund this morning: sam-edmunds-trade-and-free-agency-update “... the Cats have at least touched base here but they were a bit apart on money... “Melbourne thought their first offer was reasonable but then the Viney camp went way above what Melbourne thought was fair. “There’s been a bit of back and forth but I’m hearing they’re just about there (on a new contract).” Did Jack get a reality check on his market value from Geelong? We will never know. But it is well known Geelong never pay overs. Hope we haven't.

No, Fritsch has not yet re-signed. Rivers is contracted to end of 2021. All player contract details are in this thread. I'm updating as list/contract changes occur. It is pinned at the top of this forum.

Have corrected the table...until it is official.

Updated for Bennell's retirement ?, Smith's one year contract extension and 2 year contract extensions for Sparrow and Petty? Edit: Thanks to @WERRIDEEfor correction re Jack Viney whose supposed contract renewal I had included.

The article says Smith signed for one year. If Oscar leaves and Petty is not ready to go we will need depth in the backline. Hibberd is yet to re-sign (I assume he will) and is getting older so we also need coverage for him. So I have no problem with a one year extension.

Thanks for the update: I've been a believer that Tom can get back to form, not necessarily his 2018 goal scoring form but enough to play a key role as a tall in our fwd line while Weideman and Jackson develop. Then we can put our money and picks into finding the wingman we sorely need or a top small fwd. In reading the whole article it seems that Tomlinson has taken Oscar's role in the backline which wasn't on the cards early in the season. Hope Oscar finds another club. Its also interesting that GWS have reservations about Preuss: "The Giants have queries about Preuss’ ability to cover the ground and spread. He is a monster of a man at 206cm and 114kg".

Ablett has been poor the last few games. If it wasn't for the name would he even get a game next week? If he does, nostalgia may cost them a Prelim. Having said that very happy for them to go out in straight sets again.

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