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Maybe so but I have yet to see/hear of a positive Richo influence. Will be delighted if he turns out to be a good acquisition for us.

That was my point, most of the time we kick-in to Max. And it makes May (and others) predictable and therefore easy to counter by competing with Max or pressure on subsequent ball carriers.

True. And it worked because it was unpredictable and rare.

He kicks to Max and it is nearly always to the members side of the ground (or the left when at other grounds). Very, very predictable. Haven't seen our kick-in players take a run out of the goal square this year - they may have forgotten the rule changes allow it.

The st Kilda reference wasn't by Lyon it was by Jennings talking about Lyon's video (if I found the correct video).

The irony is Goodwin has had 4-5 trade/draft periods to build a list to suit his game plan. Inexplicable that we seem so far away. It reminds me of a comment Lyon made at Fremantle: something like "we are a blue-collar team" and that is how we play. Not saying we are a blue collar team more that coaches build the game plan to maximises the strengths of the team they have, at least in the short term and not try and make the players something they are not. Our team isn't changing in a hurry so hope the coach can build a game plan very quickly that better suits the list he has; a list that is fit and uninjured.

How to beat us has been known and successful for a very long time: Control via short kick mark (deny our ballistic play style): Geelong, WCE, Hawks Match in the contest, beat on the spread/outside (too many committed to the contested to stop opp spread): Lions, Tigers, Pies Drop an extra in defence (to mark our bombs): Every team has been doing it for the last few years. What is fascinating is that he was our strategy coach last year. As he was given the flick one can only assume that Goodwin didn't want to hear these messages from Jennings. Will Goodwin now take on board what Jennings has suggested to win...

My apology. Not AFL 360, it was On The Couch so should be in another thread. Will see if I can find it. Found it

At the 5.00 mark he says the footage Garry Lyon showed on AFL360 On the Couch, is how Saints played for the last 5 years. Can only be Richo's influence. Worrying. A losing strategy at saints and so far the same for us. Was not a fan of his appointment. Less so after hearing that.

Assume that is tongue-in-cheek (AFL is funding the hubs).

Earlier in this thread the Donations were reported as $280k . Not having much to do I had a look at the balance today and it shows: $214k. proud-to-belong,-proud-to-give/ It seems a cumulative total so am a bit confused as to how it could have gone backwards. Can't imagine anyone would take back a donation so maybe one of the figures is incorrect/typo.

But does he have the right experience? His 20 year AFL coaching career shows little success: 12-13 years as asst coach at bulldogs, collingwood, essendon, carlton and port but generally not during successful years. Then 6-7 years at Saints wallowing around the middle or the bottom of the ladder. Sure, he was a highly regarded assistant to Hinkley but that was 8 years ago. I still find it hard to see what he brings and why we recruited him especially after the bad rap from his own captain at the saints. But I agree with @The Jackson 6responsibility for recruiting Richardson rests with Mahoney, not Pert.

Good question! Not sure what happened to 'team first play' and esprit de corps embedded in 2018. This year I've noticed selfishness come back into the team particularly in the forward line. Missed each time. Melksham was taking crazy angled pot shots from the boundary without even looking for a team mate. Last week TMac was 40 - 50m but signalled to a free player in the goal square (I think Melksham) that he would go for goal. Thankfully, he kicked it. So I wondered whether the pressure has players going self-protective and worried about their stats and own performance and the team suffers as a result. Then trust is lost.

I believe the AFL is footing the bill. I relistened to FC and the numbers given were: Carlton 80, Richmond and Essendon 60, North 91 (8 families) and Bulldogs 89 (6 families). Apparently, if new people from Vic enter a hub the whole team is subjected to the 14 day quarantine again so lets hope we and the other clubs who left players behind don't get to many injuries. For team bonding and morale and fitness of those left behind I would prefer the whole list went as the option seems to have been there.

bennell-and-jones-in-frame-for-demons Can't really see the case for Jones coming in. He has played one AFL game this year vs Carlton and was as slow as treacle. Didn't play in last week's scratch match because of general soreness. Seems very underdone.

Pick 8 became 3 picks: Kozzie (pick 10) and Rivers (pick 28) and Carlton's 2020 4th round pick. So overall the initial deal with North looks fine to me. Would we get a Kozzie and Rivers this year if we kept our 2020 first rounder. Doubt it. Ralph is just headline click baiting.

Apparently, the bulldogs and north took somewhere between 65 and 90 people (Caro on FC) so there is a bit of inconsistency in what is being said about numbers and limits. Hawks took the whole list as did Bulldogs.

Garry Lyon said last night he hasn't developed as the club would have liked. But I ask who is there for Sam to learn from, be mentored by? We have no experienced fwd. We have no fwd coach or a coach who has played forward. Who has been brought into the club to fast track his development? He is a kid and it is widely known that 'talls' develop more slowly than say midfielders. His confidence was shot last year after the media brouhaha over his contract, after which he deleted his social media accounts and he didn't even want to leave home. Not to mention the game winning shot he missed in a game last year.

You have both quoted me out of context. And I acknowledged that Jackson was a future fix. The problem is now, 2020. There were other things we could have done and it is in the part of my post you didn't quote: to get a fwd coach. To spell it out he could have fast-tracked the development of the tall fwds we have, help overcome their deficiencies and develop cohesion in the fwd50 and with the mids. It could have commenced and gained momentum over the off-season. I would imagine Weidemen would be better prepared if there was a specific person to help him/mentor him. There is no-one for him to learn from. I mean really, who ever heard of an AFL club not having a proper Fwd Coach! We chose not to appoint one so there is no use the coach etal lamenting our inability to score in 2020. We had the chance to make it better while building the future in Jackson.

They will do what Crows did with Dangerfield. Say they will match and force Geelong to the negotiating table to get better than the AFL compo pick. No-one ever expected the Crows to go thru with the 'threat'. Ess will do it so they can play tough guy, beat their chests and show their members that they won't let him go cheaply. That is how they play the game. And if he did choose us Ess know we pay more than we want. And, I'm also not a fan of JD. He wants to leave the state.

He won't be on big $ so we can afford him. Being an RFA and technically no need to trade. As an RFA Ess will match whatever $ offer is made as likely will only get a 2nd rnd compo pick for him so will force a trade. So the problem as I see it is their tough line on trades. Last year they demanded a top 10 pick plus a player from Sydney (Heeney or the like) Sydney didn't bite and nothing happened. They will most likely demand Petracca or Oliver as part of a package. Anyone prepared to do that trade? Not me.

100% on all that. Re fwds: hard to do when we don't have a fwd coach or any coaches with fwd experience. Plapp, Stafford and Lewis all have a bit of the fwd coach role but some parts entirely missing from any portfolio. They are deliberate outcomes of last years review. No one responsible or accountable. Too many cooks in the kitchen!

I understand why the club boost defence and not tall fwd stocks at end of 2018 . They rolled the dice on Weideman and TMac but it did not work. No crime for trying. But knowing it didn't work they had the chance to fix the 'tall forward' problem (Jackson won't be a fix for several years) at end of 2019 and did not. To compound that they did not get a fwd coach as part of the coaching restructure so forward line and it and midfield connection is an afterthought and piecemeal attachments to other coaching roles (Plapp, Stafford, Lewis). Goodwin laments the problem of kicking a winnable score. He had a golden opportunity at end of 2019 to boost personnel; players and coaches and did not. I'd be very surprised if any other club has none of the following coaches: forward, ball movement, strategy. Nor do we have any with that experience as players or coaches elsewhere. imv that sits totally on Goodwin and Mahoney. No point them lamenting that we can't score effectively. Not sure why it is a surprise to them. They set it up that way on and off the field.

Clearly our GM Football and the Coach don't think so. They had the chance to fix it in last year's EOS review and did not. On a related note I understand why the club didn't boost the tall fwd stocks at end of 2018. They rolled the dice on Weideman and TMac but it did not work. No crime for trying. But knowing it didn't work they had the chance to fix the 'tall forward' problem (Jackson won't be a fix for several years) at end of 2019 and did not. Goodwin again laments the problem of kicking a winnable score. He had a golden opportunity at end of 2019 to boost personnel; players and coaches and did not. imv that sits totally on him and Mahoney.

Could be wrong, I believe swimming, surfing and golf are approved activities for players in hubs and if so players would be quite happy in Manly..