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Yes. At last we have an assistant who has completed the formal qualifications and has a lot of coaching experience, in a successful club. He is more qualified than the rest of our 4-5 person coaching panel put together. (Have excluded Goodwin for that comparison).

Delighted he is back! Why does the press release say ' joined the Club’s coaching panel for the 2021 season'. Just one year???? Same wording as the Burgess press release last year...

Carlton preparing to get Saad free if trade can't be done adam-saad-preseason-draft Even tho there are a few teams ahead of Carlton who could draft Saad it would be unlikely if he refuses to meet them or do a medical. It would be more a Luke Ball type situation. Some interesting posturing coming up. Dodoro might have met his match: Carlton have shown with Martin they can be stubborn and won't blink first!

I repeat the post you quoted:

We are saying the same thing: he has things to improve to be elite. In time he will be. imv his performances weren't consistent this year. Not saying the stats don't say that. I'm going on the coaches votes which show he voted in 6 of 17 games for a total of 34 votes. 24 of those votes were in 3 games.

A very apt subtitle to this thread: the rats are fleeing Love it!!

When I mentioned coaching, I was thinking the 'how to improve' in addition to identifying the 'what needs to improve'. (A bit like knowing we need to improve our fwd cohesion but coaches haven't worked out the magic formular to make it happen). Certainly agree, this year shows he is improving his weaknesses. He strikes me as being very coachable so am confident the improvement will continue. I was really saying he has elite stats but is not yet the elite player some suggest due (imv) to lack of scoreboard/gameimpact. But he is just 23. Dusty, Dangerfield and Neale were 25-27 when they reached that elite level. Oliver will be just as good if not better when he gets to that age group. Imagine having both Oliver and Petracca as high impact mid-fielders.

A must read for aspiring elite midfielders: Lachie Neale's: inside-the-mind-of-the-afl-s-best This year, "I worked really hard on driving with my legs, kicking the ball a lot more and trying to get centre forward to set up a few more attacking plays for us, rather than just trying to accumulate the footy. I've worked really hard to change that and add little bits and pieces this year and it's come to fruition a bit this year and, if I kicked straighter this year, I'd have a few more goals (he's kicked 11.13)." "There's been patches throughout this season where I haven't probably played at my best, so I can become even more consistent and try to deliver more week in and week out. I've tried to add a little bit in terms of when I get attention and release our players and free up a few of our players, which I haven't done so well in the past. "It might not show in disposals and clearances and key stats, but trying to influence the game in other ways as well going forward." I see a lot of Oliver in Neale prior to this year's improvement. I have been criticised on DL for saying Oliver accumulates high stats but doesn't impact the game. He needs to impact games and kick goals himself and have more goal involvements. Then he will be in the class of Dusty, Neale, Dangerfield. I love Oliver and would love to see him fulfill his potential so I hope the club develops him to become a complete, elite player and not leave it up to 'natural' improvement. I have little doubt he can do it.

I'm sure the AFL 'FA special herbs and spices' formula will guarantee pick 7 for Daniher. And I bet they still get a favourable fixture next year in terms of easier teams, time slots, FTA etc just as Carlton did over recent years to make them Great Again! Yes, all very sickening and very rigged. Still, I hope we get our act together next year and leave them all behind in our wake!!

They may have lots of top 10 picks but as we (and Carlt, Bris, GCS, etc) know only too well without the culture, administration and coaching they don't amount to much and you can still wallow at the bottom of the ladder. They are in denial. Their GM Football claiming the players leaving have a problem rather than the club have a problem. Too arrogant to admit their 'glorious' club can do wrong. Its all karma for their drug cheating years. They have earnt their stint at the bottom of the ladder. Hope they enjoy it for a long time to come!

Sure others will do a review to cut costs but the CEO won't be saying a reason is our 'inconsistent performances' and single out the coaching department. He knows it is broken and will fix it.

Other: Connor McKenna broke his contract and went back to Ireland. Fantasia has had medicals with SA teams and will likely be traded. Hurley and Hooker are upset that Bellchambers didn't get a farewell game. Merrett is upset he was dumped from the leadership group after being VC. Add Daniher and Saad departures and it is clear they are falling apart. It is even better than watching them squirm their way thru the drug saga.

Just received an email from Pert. In part it said: "From a broader program perspective, due to the $3 million cut in the soft cap and our inconsistent performances this season, I'm conducting a review of the football program, with a deep dive into the coaching program. The outcome of this review will ensure we have the right leadership, resources and programs to maximise our potential in 2021 and beyond. All changes will be communicated to members when appropriate, over the pre-season period". It isn't an external review like many of us had hoped. But I live in hope we get a high calibre coaching group that is the equal of top 4 teams. Our players and supporters deserve nothing less. I'm glad he acknowledges that our 'inconsistent performances' is a reason for the review.

Yes, I know. As a rookie he was most likely on base plus match payments so in all, well under the average AFL salary package. And the pies have had the extra benefit of the first $80,000 not included in their sal cap.

He seems to be behind Moore, De Goey and Daicos for the priority signing. He wants to stay but the 'modest' offer isn't acceptable. By one report he is looking for $500k and 4 years. This seems reasonable as he will soon be 28 and has been in the AFL for only 3 years and this is the only chance to earn some reasonable coin. Interestingly, he has been a Rookie for all of those 3 years so on absolute minimum wages. That is a very good wicket for the pies. Think its time for them to pay him what he is worth. If not wouldn't mind him at the dees.

Thanks. Thought these comments were interesting: "...Unless you can somehow get Melbourne to release him and Adelaide to pay him really good money I don’t think it would happen, but hey, stranger things have happened in sport...I did hear a whisper that he’s managed by Rob Snowdon who also manages one Crows coach… he’d be a good get". And: “Melbourne won a bidding war to get Alan Richardson and he was on very good coin, so when you take 30 per cent off the soft cap you wonder whether that might need to be massaged.” Would much rather lose Richardson than Burgess. I really hope the club makes decisions on who is the best person for a position rather than who is under contract that we need to 'find a job for'. The AFL has given clubs the chance to pay out FD contracts with no impact on soft cap. I hope the club takes that opportunity to create a top 4 FD team.

I wonder if that was a 'set play' by Tim and Garry to generate caller frenzy to sen? Ess gave up a 2nd round pick for him (mid-late 20's) just a few years ago and the Carlton offer is the same as the Ess off. Not a strong case for paying overs in draft picks. Carlton should approach Geelong and trade their #7 for Geelongs #13 and the yet to be determined #15 to #18 and offer that to Ess and cheekily ask for something back in return.

He signed a 4 year contract in 2018. Expires 2022.

This update is for you Delicious! Updated for Viney's 5 year contract ?

Of late, the club has tried to sign up key players a long way out from contract expiration so maybe talks are in progress or will start once the sal cap is known. Oliver has a big decision to make. He either signs for an extra 2 years to his FA year when his options are open. Or, he signs a mega 5-6 year extension that takes him to the latter stages of his career and then becomes a demon for life ?. I suspect this is what the club would want. If he follows Petracca, Brayshaw and many other AFL 'young guns he will sign for two years. There is no reason for these guys to sign up beyong their FA year. Of course, he could put off contract negotiations but that would surprise.

They drastically front-end Martin's salary for year 1 so no-one else would take him in the preseason draft last year. I believe next year it drops back to average levels. So at face value that saving pays for either Saad or Williams. Also, Simpson and Kreuzer have retired so that probably pays for the other. What is unclear is how they are going to fit them into the much lower sal cap.

You could be right. Brown has a knee injury s so we are no wiser about its severity and how it affects his main assets: running speed or leap. At 28 they both have only a few years left and are injury risks. Tbh, I would prefer others.

If it is some consolation many of us feel the same. Hopefully the weeks ahead are much brighter.

The GM Football structure split, I referred to was Neil Balme's role at Richmond. Simon Lloyd is at Geelong. Can we just leave it that there are a variety of structures and reporting lines. Mine was but one example to focus on football outcomes/performance. Richmond has another. Other clubs might have something else. This is where it would be very valuable for an external consultant to do our review: Review the structure first and determine roles and job requirements before appointing someone.

I didn't think to much about the title (GM or Manager), it was more an example of a structural split to make the FD more focused on football outcomes. I just looked at Richmond and found that last year they split Neil Balme's GM Football role into two parts: "Tim Livingstone... General Manager – Football Performance and Blair Hartley ...General Manager – Football Talent. Both Tim and Blair will be a part of the Club’s senior management team. I haven't found what the two involve to compare to my theoretical functional structure but it shows there is a precedent for suggesting the GM FD role is too big for one person and needs to be split to give the right focus on Football /OutcomesPerformance.