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It looks like the Lions offer to Daniher will get Ess an end of first round comp pick at best. So Ess now make demands of Lions to improve offer to Daniher or they will match to force a trade. Its time someone stopped their stupid ambit claims that disrupt the whole trade period. Would love to see Lions call their bluff and let them match and threaten to walk away.

Didn't someone mention in another thread that Nev was lined up for an off-field role when his playing days were over. I can't recall who it was but he made mention that Nev was so much loved by the whole playing group and if he was 'retired' or contract 'paid out' it would be culturally very damaging to the players. If that report was correct what does it say if he goes to Collingwood in a similar role we propose or a Burgoyne (Hawks) type set-up. If we had plans to transition him to an off-field role when OOC in a year we can do it now. We did it with Garland and we did it more recently with Guy Walker. Or at least formalise an agreement to do it at end of next year. Nev has so much to offer, so much life, football and community experience we can't let that go to another club to leverage.

Nev is another who spent most of 2019 injured and the lack of a VFL comp in 2020 prevented him from finding form and consistency. 2020 is a poor measure of his performance. I wouldn't be too quick to trade him out especially if it was for some rubbish pick. Sometimes a players team value and cultural value cannot measured. I don't mean indigenous cultural value albeit that is important. I mean cultural value in terms of role model and standards both football and community contribution.

I wasn't suggesting we don't trade him, commenting more on folks saying his form has been poor and inconsistent. There was good reason for that which is easy for folks to overlook. In his favour (imv) he is far better than ANB, AvB plays injured and one wonders how long he can keep that up and on par with or slightly more valuable than Hunt. But if he has market value, we let him go. Altho would much rather let ANB go but I suspect there are no takers.

Hannan was injured for much of 2019. Then this year he, like many other small and mid fwds, was disadvantaged by the lack of a VFL league to gain some form and consistency. It was a revolving door in the fwd line. Hannan is better than his 2020 form.

Not sure I heard right on sen but it sounded like there was a chance Brown would stay at North. North have had some off-field happenings so they may be trying to mend fences with Brown and Polec. Whether that is correct or not, I haven't heard us mentioned re Brown of late. Yet, people on here seem to assume he is coming so its ok to offload TMac. Hope if the plan is Brown for TMac that he is signed up before we ship Tom off.

Extreme MFCSS by the poster. Can't see Christian dropping his standards. Player Managers align their player's contract with the FA year. Then it becomes a game of cat and mouse to see what the market is before player decides what to do so we may need to wait for 2 years. But if we are top 4 and contending for the premiership in the next 2 years I would expect Salem, Petracca, Brayshaw, Oliver, Weideman etc to sign up for longer terms regardless of FA.

How is that relevant? He signed his contract extension before the season started. Had a stellar year.

Not only that Collingwood have said they aren't interested in Brown. Do they know something we don't...

I briefly met your Uncle Hassa at the Bentleigh club when the premiership players had their 50th anniversary celebration. He stayed till every one who wanted a chat and an autograph had seen him. I thought he was delightful and nothing like the 74 year old he would have been at the time. I look forward to listening the whole sen interview.

I heard a bit of the interview on SEN to commemorate his 80th. The part I heard was about our tumultuous history. Hassa was there at the time of the big 3 upheavals: when Barassi left, was Captain when Smith was sacked (emotional story about that) and CEO at the time of the merger proposal. Can't find it on the sen website. The few minutes I heard were great to listen to.

I'm ok with Jack staying, not so much the five years. But does he have tickets on himself: “...and one of my reasons for staying is because he [Goodwin] needs support...I’m one of the people who really believes in his vision, and he needs some strong characters to stand up beside him. I feel like if I was to head somewhere else and end my time at the club, then I would be hanging him out to dry a bit. So he is saying there are those at the club that don't believe in Goodwin's vision and don't stand up beside him? Worrying. Goodwin has coaches, managers, a captain and other leaders yet it reads like Jack is the one that is propping Goodwin up! And, is this a crack at his team mates: "...Viney says the Demons’ midfield unit can be “something really special” if they play with a more selfless attitude."

Agree with most of this. Saints and Carlton may get burnt when it is time to put the finishing touches on their list. But by some accounts that is where we are now.

It seems St Kilda "... with a healthy treasure chest ready to entice new players to a club that believes its edging closer to the premiership window". 'stacks of cap space' and Brisbane "...is expected to be active in the trade period and boasts salary cap space to boot": Queensland a Destination state Not long ago they (and Carlton) were bottom four teams like us. Yet they all seem to have heaps of cap space yet ours is 'tight' according to a few on DL. How did it get to that - invested too much in too few, perhaps? It wouldn't be so bad if their performance was up to the level of their package: thinking TMac, Lever, Melksham...

Thanks. Will change when with the next update.

But we aren't a great club and haven't been for more than half a century. There are few signs that we will be in the foreseeable future. Why should young men like Oliver and Petracca etc bust a gut to be the best they can be, hang around a club when many others don't and that has a sub-standard coaching panel. We have a handful of players doing the heavy lifting; the rest are along for the ride. Oliver isn't one of the latter. He consistently does more than his fair share.

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Thanks. But why doesn't the club say that!!! Or at least say nothing at all rather than let it look like one year!!! Grrrr

She helped coach the AFLW team while pregnant with her twins and has held other positions at the club but left to focus on her game and the media. So we may need to wait a while to see where her career goes. One thing is for sure she loves the Dees - when they were setting the rules for marquis players at the start of the AFLW she told Gil that if she couldn't go to the Dees she wasn't playing.

Perhaps, but the person's well being and privacy and that of his family are paramount. The longer it stays out of mainstream media the better.

No pile on from me - Daisy is the best commentator by far. Have said in another thread, would love her as an assistant coach.

This true but if Bartlett and the Board are making the call they must think it is worthwhile to have Green or similar. Also, Bartlett is busy with a variety of President and Board responsibilities so having an experienced football person (and maybe a Football sub-committee) to evaluate football matters helps with his job.

A few clubs have ex players on their Board. Green won't be held accountable for the club's football performance. It is the Coach and GM Football that carry that. And, Boards don't have one person responsible for a specific portfolio. More often than not they chair or sit on the relevant sub-committee eg Governance, Finance, Football, Audit etc The sub-committees set the club strategy, sign off on key CEO recommendations, sign off on key appointments, delve into critical issues/problems etc

Getting Green and Yze back might be the beginning of Jnr Mc loving us again - maybe loving us enough to present the medal named in his honour at the BnF each year.

Have been asking for a Football Director on the Board for over two years. Last time we had one was Greg Healy. The club finally acknowledging a lack of football experience on the Board. Great appointment in concept and Green in the role.