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perhaps theyre just getting supporters used to the game changing free kicks that will happen for the favoured pies.

I always found (and still do) that there are some who have no emotions and found they were the most difficult to deal with as they did not know when they affected the emotions of others. Fortunately there are not many with no emotions and those who profess so are usually supressing it for some reason and often have difficulties because of that. We cannot be critical of any as the range of emotions is so broad. The emotions the Brayshaw incident arouses (as with most things) depends on how close one is to the issue, how much you have invested in the circumstances. Food o those who have moved on. Good on those who still have deep feelings. WE are all on the same journey. As Melbourne supporters our journey will be vastly different to a Pies supporter. I limit my anger by feeling sorry for those who cannot or will not appreciate the outcome to Brayshaw and our club. I do hope our players can focus and channel their emotions into a solid defeat of the Pies on Monday. I hope our coaches are able to address each individuals circumstances and coaless the range into a massive team performance.

i was never going to make it down and just found out that Bridge Road Brewery will have the match on the big screen here in Beechworth. Ben Kraus ( who has led the brewery since inception with Maria) is a bombers supporter, and interested in seeing how we perform and how the bombers can match up to the best, so has arranged for the coverage. I did have a BBQ planned with a blues supporting mate who always supports the dees against any other side. He is still sufferable. But I will be a poor loser tomorrow should that happen and concerned that the brewery might attract some Collingwood supporters, Ill be trying to direct them to the Nicholas Hotel where mine host is a rabid Collingwood supporter . Any other Demons in town coming down to the brewery?

Certainly understand that. It would only be done with and when Gus could agree (why I used sensitive reference). I really feel for Gus and still have difficulty even talking to Collingwood supporters who are almost always condescending in their comments and fall back to, its a football act and there was no penalty. Christ the penalty to Gus is total. Channelling loss grief into another topic can ameliorate the grief.

It might be sensitive for Angus but the club could make Gus our Concussion Ambassador. Spread the health and research efforts not only that he is already aware of but promote other activities. There are more comprehensive testing and assessing tools that are being introduced and Gus could be involved in highlighting these. Start with our club and force the AFL to join this initiative. Promote his situation at our home games and let us all celebrate and recognise his personal knowledge. He can then as a former player have a greater credibility as an influencer to other players and clubs.

You do know that Data is not Information Information is not Knowledge Knowledge is not Wisdom.

Flags are always hard to win . We had a team that was at the cusp of greatness. The squad as always needed some turnover but retained the nucleus to keep it in the premiership window. We lost in straight sets after consistent high level peformances. Maybe opposition had cracked the system , but inaccuracy and atrocious umpiring combined with the incident just destroyed us. We have a squad with mixed talents Goody has tried to introduce a greater depth by having players with a natural replacement. Injuries and Pettys form have created difficulty and opportunity. The system as I have previously stated , (defence and surge) can still work if all players play their role. Its on the coach to get the players motivated again. I think he can do it and the second half offers the opportunity to play different players, different structures, pattern etc but retain the core of the team and hide the successful strategy from our opponents. The potential of our team has not been diminished. I still have faith

Depressing and interesting. I will try and catch the podcast . The first four minutes the red and blue side dominated. Then cute handballs , silly overuse and the usual umpiring failures led to turnovers and loss of structure. As the dockers confidence grew aided again by umpire protection the demons skill levels failed under pressure. Handballs and kicks that fell short or off target seemed to benefit dockers opponents on their own. picking contests wher we were outnumbered seemed to be the desired delivery. There was never any apparent coaching response to the most simple arts of the game. Tag an opponent and man up. good luck with any analysis. I think a kick up the [censored] is needed for some players. Petty is the most interesting dilemma. since rumours of Adelaide millions he has not been the same. Perhaps he is trying to protect his only asset, his body and not playing fearlessly. I did suggest that he should have been told when not traded that he would be released this year only after he had contributed to another flag when his value would be increased. No Flag he would be given away for a lot less. But maybe he was offered an even better deal from Adelaide play poorly, bring down the dees and we will pay you even more. Drop him until; he can contribute sytrongly. Trac and Max hold up even Clarry, while not dominating is still contributing. the roles of all midfielders rely on each component playing their part and that seems to be failing due to almost arragance and no protectiuon from umpires. I have mentioned the defence / surge strategy and still support it but every component must play their part. That seems to be the failure. Our best is still very good but our worst like yesterday and eagles is diabolical.

probably too much data and not all easily accessible. Ill do what I can but will be dependent upon the exhibitors links etc. A lot of his material appeared to come from public spaces, including fishermans bend websites which i have sporadically visited. it was always a bit frustrating as there was never any consideration of a stadium, entertainment, community space and retail centre included anywhere and no indication of approach by MFC.

Sorry 31, I was a bit obscure. the reference to Parkville was for a Melbourne Design Week event "What Killed Fishermans Bend? which was an amazing installation by Paul van Herk and Gabriella Amstalden Martens. In 5 rooms they had displayed an array which would discourage anyone trying to make any headway in this bureaucratic, financial, corporate, political and social space. It was simply amazing the amount of material they had collected and displayed. Far too much for me to consume let alone digest. I have discovered some information I was aware of and some I had only thought were unsubstantiated rumours. I certainly saw much evidence of opportunity still available. It would certainly be enough to encourage a club looking for a quick fix to hope that any alternative option would be an improvement. I do recognise that the time frames identified within this thread do not seem to be quick but in the context of this display it would appear to be. It is unfortunate that MFC were not identified in any of the material or of having any participation. A well presented feasibility may have altered the course of the total project. Just a missed opportunity while we plough towards a Caulfiekd solution. I congratulated the initiator of the project and look forward to further contact. They have a wealth of knowledge and expertise. I do intend to add some enthusiasm to their continuing research. After the disappointment of todays football performance I will increase my interest in a part of the club I can influence. I see the opportunity and if we dont take it, someone else (Collingwood or Carlton maybe even St Kilda) will

im tempted to mention Fishermans Bend as a rejected idea. I certainly have had no response from the club to my enquiry at AGM. . I have also not pursued any further on the project as really I would support Caulfield if it is feasible. However I am going to the display in Parkville as part of design week to see if they have any valid suggestions. They may at least have some connections,

if we did that we would be unstoppable and boring winning by so much. The AFL does not want blowouts. It needs close results. Results can be manufactured as has been shown with recent umpiring standards. We need to be the favoured side.

When we win the flag with a combination of dour, effective and strong defence and a burst of bang, bang, bang, inspired all out attack (chaos ball) we wil, win the fans back. This strategy is dependent upon controlling the surges. Most important is not falling too far behind that the burst has to be sustained too long. This style can also provide the tension and entertainment that the AFL is wanting. Close games are appreciated by opposition fans and so builds the TV audience while also encouraging opposition fans to attend. Dull and boring can be effective in building support for the game, if combined with close results. Winning builds support for our team.

Try "Chaos Theory" there is an order in chaos just need data to identify the patterns, etc.

im not too concerned where we sit in the eight as i think the system we have combined with our effectiveness on surges is good enough to beat any side. We dont want to waste our significant advantages by exposing it every week. We have a good list which does go quite deep but not all combinations work. Im happy that we are putting more players on the park giving them exposure and making them aware of what they need to develop. The surge / burst is based around Max Trac Clarry and Viney, we dont want their effectiveness blunted by opponents watching a set structure each week. Keep the system for finals, yes use it regularly to ensure it is almost intuitive, but modify and even completely change it to not only have alternatives available but also to not allow opponents to prepare strategies to counter it.

he was actually catching him, just off balance when pushed off and seemed to be expecting someone else to stop him. when he saw he was away he chased , made up ground but not enough to affect a tackle or stop the kick. Goodwin does seem to have so much faith in the process that he doesnt employ taggers. Might be something he considers when opposition teams match up with depth in mid field

Im not sure how to describe this but I reckon our game built on defence is fine, but occaisonally we get forced back and our solid defence is then occurring around or inside the 50 metre line. We sometimes even go back to that point. We kick short or hand pass out, several possessions, and we are still not at the centre line. or mids are still in defence and forwards are outside 50. We often are playing to deep or shallow depending on how you call it. Our forwards are still not separating and it was obvious against WC how many times two or three of us flew, often spoiling each other and no one in front or behind the pack. I thought Kossie played well against WC but his best work was outside our 50, I like him inside 50 where his presence just creates panic in the opposition and opportunities for him and others. try and get our forwards to play closer to the goals and our defence to play further from goals, I think thats what we used to do and I think its what we do when we win.

he was actually catching him, just off balance when pushed off and seemed to be expecting someone else to stop him. when he saw he was away he chased , made up ground but not enough to affect a tackle or stop the kick. Goodwin does seem to have so much faith in the process that he doesnt employ taggers. Might be something he considers when opposition teams match up with depth in mid field

WCW thanks for your dedication and insights into the finer things. You are a great supporter and advocate for the club. Its a bit unfair that you are paced in a position that you have to respond to what is just another bit of misinformation. I recall that we responded to similar comments in the past with detail that for our membership we had very high attendance records. im sure others will have a more factual detail but its also a pretty difficult situation. I want to attend every game but coming from the country I cant always get there. The Governments transport reforms certainly help the cost of getting there, but trains dont always align with start and finish times and I cant always get affordable accommodation. Still we are pretty well represented by you and our cheer squad (and my Melb based mates) Hope to get to more games and keep up the cheering. We do always seem to be not as loud as opposition cheering, but I am recognised for clearing out 3 rows in front of me,(due to volume) so hard to replace. Keep up your excellent reports and comments.

perhaps our disgraceful first quarter was a consequence of our opponents having the umpires favour. An 11-3 free kick ratio would allow the team receiving 11 to have a confidence that what they do will be approved and any interruption to their action will be penalised. a team receiving only3 free kicks and giving away 11 will restrict their actions and perhaps feel less confident and frustrated. how did the free kick count not result in a 44 -12 total if umpires did not have some understanding of the disproportionate tally.

yes we lost it in the first. when the umpires favour a side by awarding 11 free kicks to 3, the side given 11 believes they can do anything and get away with it. they have a confidence that allows them to convert maybes into certanties . they dominate. the team not receiving the umpires protection doubts themselves and loses confidence. they struggle That do?

the first half was a confident Blues carried by the umpiring favouritism third quarter was a slow wresting back with umpires not dominating and paying melbourne free kicks in the back half last quarter as melbourne surged and game played inside our fifty the umpires had to invent a few decisions to ensure the result. Im going to look at the replay but would like to see the free kick stats distribution .

Low impact is part of the argument I would emphasise. But remind tribunal of "learnings". our club is more conscious than most of the impact of head high contact. Kozzie has altered his playing style and was able to turn a full collision as part of a football act into a glancing blow that had low impact on the player. We support a fine and believe Kozzie should keep playing to continue to inspire youngsters to increase skills in avoiding contacts and make changes to the way they play. Alternatively they could claim that he was unaware of any features of the game after he had his head ripped off in the first quarter and therefore is not responsible for the action.

An appeal would be an opportunity to remind the tribunal of our club awareness of the severity of a head high hit. As we see the head as sacred we accept a fine for this low potential and impact as Kossie obviously pulled back . Show the incident in real time and note the glancing effect as Kossie was able to alter his shape and direction but could not avoid the glancing contact. Again refresh the Maynard example and why the club has welcomed the changed rules and therefore understands why Kossies action must be penalised, however this act was low impact similar to Pendleburys but unlike Pendles was in the flow of the game and a football act. We could also show the low impact that Kossie received when he had his head nearly pulled off with no free kick even given. Put that video on slow motion, select the point of impact and it looks worse than the contact that occurs as a football act. I am sure we could put together a compilation of contacts that were far more severe than Kossies. Welcome the leagues recognition of head high contact and hope that there is increased on field scrutiny and immediate action tken to such incidents.

thanks to those who commented. It seems the line is marked at the back of the padding, so no goal for Bennie.