dpositive

apologies to all. You are correct in all you say. i have presented a poorly constructed and articulated comment. it does certainly present as sexist criticism which was not my intention. Thank you for taking the time to respond and as you say it would require more time to dissect than it is worth. i will contnue to watch and support our male and female players and encourage everyone to do the same.

I have said that AFLW was a defining cultural change and we have seen how bad we are at that. what was a grab for greater relevance by the AFL to attract a greater share of the market (females) became a bit of a tsunami with free entry and family friendly additives. The standard with female bodies adapting to a sport designed for heavier stronger male bodies has been fantastic and as it has become more physical, mothers and women seem to have cooled in their support. the sport does need to attract the cohorts female and families to grow their numbers and it needs females to engage with the game at the same vicarious level that AFL has achieved with the male game. Women need to talk of the women players around the water coolers and bbqs not the men players, steer the conversations about the game to women involvement, etc. In short a cultural change that needs support by women. Men have adopted the AFLW particularly fathers with daughters, taking their families to the games but in social contacts probably talk more of the males featured in the mainstream media. It is a changing culture and it is happening the AFL need to wary of the impact that Sam Kerr is having on its targetted market.

yor right my bad type

great memories 58 I go back nearly as far as you but my experiences were a lot more sporadic and distant. Growing up poor and in the country it was very much a remote vicarious following. My number was Hassa Mann 27 and I endured the ups and mostly downs of following MFC, I was happy to go more regularly as redlegs, legend member in later years and disappointed that our flag finally came remotely. I am really looking forward to a few flags that I can watch as i think we have a great list supported by some great off field leadership. GO DEES!!!!

As Ive said we have some great people on the board. I have been to Hong Kong and seen the football facility in the centre of the racing course.. It was not ideal for connection but was agreat entertainment facility attached to a racecourse. The principal operation will always be a race club not a football club. We would be a minor tenant to another industry. Fishermans Bend offers greenfield site that we can control.

these resources provide a solid down payment which could allow access to further private investment funds (superannuation and financial) and an opportunity to supplement government support to have our own owned portion of a larger facility. I agree we have some great performers on our board who will be able to exert influence for the best deal for the club.

The appeal of Port Melbourne is just that. Port MELBOURNE it is the only suburb area that contains the name of the club and has the heritage links as the port that associates it with the club. Port Melbourne have similar club colours to MFC and a rich history. Fishermans Bend is a green field site that has plenty of underutilised open and warehouse spaces. It has government endorsement (both parties) and recognition of huge population growth. There is an established development body and potential to have improved access and entertainment and community facility. both developeers and govt may be attracted to consider such a facility if investment by a suitable body. Ron Barassi SNr oval is close to the area although you have to search to find it. its on the river near what was the old port.a new facility in FB could be a fitting site for the Ron Barassi facility.

careful. you will probably have to deal with those same planners for any Caulfield project, same govt , same or similar bodies. Good luck with that. Its why im calling on Dlanders with knowledge , skills or experience, who can scope FB project.

Perhaps so Rab I am dpositive for a reason. any project requires the passion that a footy club can bring. Perhaps thats an additional feature that Docklands lacks, an engaged community will also help.

i think you are right DRev. i have been promoting the idea of Fishermans Bend Port area for some time. Would like to get a working group of DLanders with specific project management skill and experience to prepare a proposal for the board. It would include an entartainment, community centre for the potential thousands who are being attracted to the area by the various agencies now set up. A football centre as major tenant with a boutique stadium for training, administration health etc, where supporters could gather on away games, alternative finals overflow and wathc live stream on screens etc. the options are broad and i think we have on Dlanders who have knowledge of how to set up and maintain some of the specific areas.. An initial investigation shows how there are some large areas owned by a large diversity of owners which might be considered for development. BUt also initial discussion would need to be made with the FB development group. please contact me if you would consider joining or adding some advice for such a group.

Ah good been busy cleaning Airbnb cottage just in to watch the Cup between laundry and gardening, No time to punt but have always taken time for CoxPlate day. We used to enjoy the trip to Money Valley when i lived in the city. Ran a foot race round the course whilw waiting for the traffic to clear. We called it the Crocks plate. Many fond memories.

how did Pinstripe travel?

Yeah lots of conjecture so Ill add mine. without any knowledge of individual, facts or circumstances. Hes a young male. His family, girlfriend and friends are in Adelaide. Adelaide club offers big payment and security. He may be injured next year, play poorly and lose his value. Club can maximise the situation as several have said. Tell him he can have all that and more if he plays well all season. He can return home with with regularity, (a list rotation program to get and keep all players fit and hungry). He will have access to the best medical services in the country in Melbourne if necessary. His family can visit him regularly and enjoy the pleasures of Melbourne. His girlfriend may be inclined to not only visit but maybe move, (the club social network encouraged to welcome her in and keep her stimulated with all the attractions in <elbourne that are not available in Adelaide. Petty plays well and helps the club win a flag. As a premiership player his value will be increased and he can return as atrue experienced player, (his value is increased). The club benefits with another premiership year and prepares for his exit while still contracted. In the meantime tells the league he is very much a required player and will only consider release if circumstances allow.

collingwood again seizing the initiative and bullying the AFL. GF replay was a feature recently. Melbourne V Sydney is the rivalry that AFL should grow. ITs already an existing feeling that can be leveraged for maximum impact right at the start of the season when there is so much promise.

yes again some good points, but utopian pipedreams and cartoon presentations can certainly be modified with a specific entertainment/ green space venue including public transport and parking space. Theres certainly plenty of space there now just a matter of the price of the vacant warehouses and even the go cart track etc. The development of PM was as you say for higher density housing with traffic calming and reduction aims. it too ws a utopian pipedream when it was proposed. The FB development is much larger and has more potential to deliver. it can then service not just the PM and FB populations who can provide a stable year round base market but can then accommodate a larger MFC crowd for specific footy and social events. a combined administrative training base for MFC with entertainment facilities for a large population has some economic attraction. Theyre the same features of Caulfield

id rather he was fantastic for us, with an emphasis on defensive effort and as part of OUR forward line. Doesnt have to be a target, I recall many decoys forwards that create opportunities for others.

Not sure what went wrong here. Brodie seemed happy with the move and did seem to enjoy the company of other demons, even seemed to have cut off any pies contacts. He was a back up ruckman to give Max relief from the constant battering, was meant to extend Maxs playing life and was a transition ruckman for the next generation. He did cover for Max when Max got injured and while a different type of player to Max he performed creditably. He is still a very good ruckman/follower and to release him to strengthen an opponent would appear to be slightly silly. If another club can get him to perform to capacity, so should we. At least would expect pretty intense and truthful conversations which should result in some clear communication to members and the public. I dont expect to hear all details al the time and disclosure of conversations may affect trading processes under way. I reckon the club has done a lot right and will continue to. WE were a kick short in games we could have won, we need to win them, wether thats because we could have used a BG type better is unknown. How we respond to the savage treatment Angus received is far more important.

watched a snippet of RDB where he was asked if his aggressive style of coaching was appropriate in this newer era. His response was that fear was a mighty motivator. Offsiders the next day were analysing the rugby and AFL results and the comment was made that CWS had improved as their new coach had allowed them to play fearlessly, the rugby commentator said that was a great comment and he would say the same of Penrith, they played without fear. Collingwood have a confidence based on the reality that they are less likely to be penalised and more likely to be protected in a free kick circumstance. as the Maynard incident, the Toby Green incident and the advantage incident show, they can play with a fearlessness that is rewarded.

ive been saying for man years we need to invite the umpires down to have a discussion. not questioning them but rather just saying we are doing something wrong. How do we rectify our style of play. look at some examples, those we give away and those we dont get that other teams do in the same situation. Im sure it wouldnt take much to find a good sample size. After friendly cooperation we could examine other teams as well. JUst involving the umpires in the dialogue may make them aware how much we value them.

some agreement with you, but you cant escape that the pies were being beaten despite that structure. They were dragged into it by favourable umpiring decisions. And yes the biggest thing they take full advantage of the opportunities.

Well, given the location and constraints as a support to the real entertainment I thought they were fine. Big production, well known lyrics and recognisable riffs. It might all be prerecorded and mimed but its a large outside area with multiple speakers etc. The logistics to get it right are pretty phenomenal to do for a temporary short term performance. Its entertainment. Dont get me wrong I would have preferred an Australian band but not sure who could pull off such a spectacular, AC/DC obviously but even MArk Hunter with the history of H&C was a bit underwhelming. its hard to produce the theatre without big performance history. However the biggest negative was the overwhelming black and white theme. It was a disgrace, just reinforcing the overwhelming impression that the black and white team are the most significant. What viewer particularly the impressionable young would not want to join this group? It would appear that even the umpires are prone to excuse and reward black and white play while analysing other teams and missing or ignoring blatant transgressions against them. Worse this slavish adoration was reflected where a thuggish football act was condoned, giving black and white players the confidence to do whatever they want as they are superior. We can only hope the arrogance that this treatment can build will bring them crashing to failure. Unfortunately i dont see that happening as the AFL wills them to success. We can only hope that our club can strive to get similar recognition through a concentration on the unique features of our game and the competition that is inherent within it. The wheel will turn and we must stay the course GO DEES.

Good point. If you look at the FB development proposals, access will be improved to accommodate the new population. It is near the existing west gate freeway. But appreciate its all very much speculative and would need to be emphasised in any proposal for an entertainment/sports complex

FB is one of the largest urban renewal projects with anticipated 80,00 population. this community will need liesure and entertainment facilities. It also provides a local supporter base

ive finally updated my technology and am able to comment again. i have followed tis discussion for some time and am an unashamed supporter of Fishermans Bend location. As a proposed development area with an existing development board and proposed public transport there are many attractions If you havent been down there just do yourself a favour and drive around the total area and then look at a map to see the obvious potential. I have thought of gathering a team of Demonland expertise to prepare a briefing paper for a community entertainment facility incorporating a training ground, all gymnasium and associated football requirements including an administration centre. With theatre spaces for cinema as well live streaming of away matches this could be a site for members when the MCG is full at finals time. Anyone wanting to contribute thoughts feel free to go for it.

What about TMac and BB taking on a combined coaching role as they transition out of playing. BB is perhaps coaching the AFLW forwards already?