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Petracca was returning after a life threatening trauma caused in the course of playing his usual game style. Oliver after unknown personal issues was also playing with a broken hand. Both were playing in a dysfunctional environment, which hopefully has been fixed.

The issues which effectively sank any prospects of an MCG home for MFC.

Suggest the same "basic financial literacy" may have been the reluctance to pursue Fishermans Bend Port Melbourne sites.

Payback can come from an innovative entertainment, corporate, retail facility as transport hub with training grounds as a greenfield destination site in Port Melbourne. Unfortunately that train may have left the station.

Agree with most of this Not a huge fan and thought he was overrated for inconsistency in intensity and physicality,(use of his body) but I did think he was capable of bursts and should have been used off the bench as emergency as he could play forward or back successfully. He was also deceptive as coulsd make ground on opponents and was able to compete against both talls and smalls, (again inconsistence with efforts). Like most of our forwards last season he often led to good spots only to be ignored with poor delivery, or led off opponents in defence only to be ignored (with our static clearance models),hence the running round like a chook with its head cut off, poor decision making appearance. I too hope he can show more glimpses in a better team oriented game using rotations of players who can be used more flexibly in attack or defence.

Just a few points to emphasise

Probably should include the acknowledgement to George Best who said something similar.

I also think much of the resistance is from the traditionists who cling to an MCG location.

Well I gave it a try and got some genuine but limited support (from Dlanders) and total ignorance from the club itself (questions put to Pert at and after AGM). I think most other attempts also foundered as the committee pursued its own efforts and rebuffed any alternatives. I am still hoping for any positive reports on Caulfield which has some obvious attractions but unlike Redleg I will be unlikely to visit. I still maintain the club centre should be an accommodation, entertainment, retail site where supporters can gather to watch training but can attend when we have away or sold out games. As an administrative centre it would also improve member interaction and strengthen the club.

Wow Thanks everyone. This has ignited so many memories and begun some new experiences. One of the fortunates born in the 50s with a mother who was a fantastic singer and performer at amateur levels I was surrounded by music. Had an influence with school mated older brothers who exposed me to raw American blues, European avant garde Mediterranean and middle east emerging sounds.(most of which mum did not like. I migrated to Melb and have always quoted the phrase" I spent most of my money on live music drugs and alcohol and wasted the rest". I became an audience. I always ended a gig by talking with the musicians to personally thank them for the joy they gave me. Most bands and artists wouldnt remember me but I have spoken with nearly all the people you have mentioned plus many even more obscure (including international artists who were surprisingly approachable in those times). Live music is the best antidote to every ill of life. Music should be a mandatory subject for all kids and adults as it not only ignites creativity but enhances universal skills of communication and language and is a base for understanding mathematics. I dont get out as much as I used to but still enjoy every foray into any live music environment. Im the one who always throws a donation to any busker to encourage them to continue. I also always said that listening to a bad performance makes you appreciate the outstanding even more. Please Keep up the conversation as as been said you are introducing me to some music I would never have seen and please let me know of any music coming to Beechworth, where we have Tanswells supporting live music always. We have an Airbnb (Lochwood Cottage) which accomodates 8 and has been offered to Demon supporters in raffles and can be offered to bands and dees supporters at reduced rates if you contact us direct. (Always subject to availability).

Thanks for the introduction to some new material and a reprise of some. I think I may have seen Ozgur Baba at Womad, or at least someone very similar.

Again dont disagree, but we dont know. It just adds another dimension to the season. I too hope King is the best coach ever

hopefully learn from the experience and there is enough corporate memory to not repeat any errors. It is the hope with King.

As Ive said before Macca, and I dont disagree with what you say, and I certainly dont know all or perhaps any of the reality of the past, the future will tell. The club will need to improve . If Clarrie and Tracc thrive in their new environments and become a match winning force then I will regret that our club did not have the ability to find and use that force. In any circumstance I will still support the Dees as I have always done.

I recall that Workcover injury analysis showed that workplace injuries occur at a heightened rate after holidays. A combination of a relaxed attitude and less fitness for the rigours of work. Its a time for heightened awareness of loads.

In her parting speech on 26 June Gillard made her own pronouncement. “It doesn’t explain everything, it doesn’t explain nothing,” she said. “It explains some things and it is for the nation to think in a sophisticated way about those shades of grey.” and she doesnt even support Melbourne Football Club . We should nominate her for the Board.

I think Julia Gillard once said this not everything but it is something.

and a lack of vision, innovation and negotiation.

I have attended AGM and spoken with board members and am certainly aware of the effort they devote and the passion they have for the club. it is partly the reason I have not pursued the Fishermans Bend project any further. I did receive some indication of support through Dland members but little beyond that and certainly not at the more influential and board level. I believe there have been many opportunities to be involved in the development of the FB precincts. the total site once overseen by a separate board is now under the direct supervision of Department of Transport. It is still proposed to establish a community of 80,000. There is an opportunity to develop a social community footprint (as indicated by Praha) close to the Port of Melbourne and the Ron Barassi senior oval. A comprehensive entertainment , retail, commercial centre could provide a destination centre for that community and a transport hub for the emerging population. The matter of transport has indeed been a significant issue on development but one which should be exploited with a visionary approach. I also felt the exploration of an alternative site would hasten negotiations. I regret the lack of that vision but align myself with the club and the Caulfield project. Until it is abandoned or completed I will watch with interest and support the club.

Ive never understood why we cant just have a home strip (this one) red and Blue and a reverse colour blue and red. surely can avoid any clash with those two. Its the Eddie argument " we have black and white and white and black" but with real sense.

These two comments tell the story strongly influenced by ignorance of what has really happened. The future will tell. If Oliver gets back to paly a positive role it indicates our club still lacks some features of player management. If our team doea as well as i expect we will see that the change was needed. Our new coach seems to be progressing with a new team and a new attitude at the moment.

Im positive we have missed many opportunities, ignored many options and remain ignorant of relationships. I was also disappointed at the AGM announcement. It has been reported that our VP has recognised shortcomings. I am also positive that our team including demonland trackwatchers are focused on another season at Goschs and Casey where we have facilities which can produce a premiership. Our administrators and support staff will have to work harder and smarter.

Oliver is an indicator of the club performance. He was traded to improve club performance. From a financial perspective the report at the AGM seems to indicate it has been handled well. How other (all) players perform will be the measure of how well this was handled. this is a complex issue which requires far mor nuanced explanantion which requires far greater knowledge of facts than we have access to. I trust and support the club but certainly hope it works out well for both us and Oliver.

Hes on our list ahead of many others not on lists, so has some attributes. I agree that if he is playing regularly we may be i for a poor season but he can offer some backup and support. There may be a time when we can/must rest our prime options and can play our support options. It will be up to the coaches to get the best use from the whole squad for the whole season Selection must be made on form and the opposition.

There was a bit of comment on the emblem and slogans. I wasparticularly affected by those suggesting "GO Dees" was insipid. As i said to one who suggested that they have obviously not sat in front of me and my mates. WE also use the GoDees as a syncopated cry as the ball is quickly transferred from one player to another. Whatever cry you use it is all in the context of the passion of the delivery.