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In essence for those who haven't seen the game yes we lost because of turnovers stats tell a trained monkey that. We have tried to play a game of late with ball in hand a lot more, it works well when you 1. make the right decisions 2. your players up the ground work hard to present 3. your mids are prepared to run both ways The above fell down because of work rate and execution 1. Some good decisions were made when we tried to use width, but the skill execution seen kicks/handball dropping short resulting in no fluid connection with the second option having to wait or by bringing more congestion to what shouldn't have been a contest 2.Our forwards do not work anywhere near hard enough to present multiple leads and/or lock the ball in. 3. When we run forward the connection breaks down for reasons 1 & 2, we lack gut runners to get back on their opponents as they all head to the honeypot and think the job is done, no desire to anticipate danger on the the outside and a defensive mindset to either lock it in, give away a free reset and negate the fast break, and a general lack of desire to run hard enough to shut down the corridor Watch our mids closely they do not run hard enough our forwards outside of Tmac do not run hard enough I'm not talking total kms I'm talking burst running we just don't do it. The domino effect this has is what you see last night and in last quarters This can be turned around but it takes Fitness overhaul which will improve the skills Desire and will to work hard and go when you are out on your feet A few trades to bring in or from our VFL stocks 2 outside gut runners and find 2 contested groundball animals inside forwad 50

Brave man STMJ Didn't have the courage of your convictions until tonight's game to respond I agree with the first paragraph, he chose not to bad decision by him and something he very much needs to learn from or he'll be gone next year. If you can't see game plan changes then I can't help you, I never said anything about them being the finished article or that it meant Goodwin was on the road to becoming Norm Smith Nothing changes I'll not make a final call until I see how we respond next season. I'll leave you and the other finger pointers to spend the next 4 weeks saying I told you so. Do I want to win the next 4 games, Yes, but it won't change anything, the season has been a waste and Goodwin and the FD need to rectify things pretty quickly

6. Gawn 5. Trac 4.Harmes 3. Jetta 2. Fritsch 1. Salem

STMJ, surely you've seen since the bye particularly in the last month the players trying to play at a slower tempo and maintain possession a little more. Problem is very hard to change completely mid season what's engrained and when put under heavy pressure they revert back to what they are accustomed to. The fast moving bash crash chais football needs older hardened bodies with several pre seasons under the belt I think we'll see a mix of both as we move forward and the players being capable of adapting to both with more experience at this level

Just a couple of points Stats can be used any way you want and lets not compare apples with oranges none of those lists at Freo, Carlton or the Eagles were anything like our current list Are you taking into account what happened to Carlton end of 2001 for their drop off and the Eagles for 2008. All 3 of those playing groups were coming to an end of a long period of being contenders and time for their lists to be turned over The salary cap fines/penalties on the Blues had a bigger impact and 2008 at the Eagles was when they decided the couldn't sweep things under the carpet any longer. We do not yet have a solid nucleus with 7-10 years under their belt like Cotchin, Rance, Reiwoldt or Martin at this stage.

I thought he was making a nmbid as Demonland's new Village Idiot, he's going to take some beating

and this is what happens when he doesn't use google

But if we turn things around next season, he knew we would and he always backed Goody Just like he knew we'd get flogged yesterday because the players were mentally scarred from the Prelim There are few who trot out statements on here like he does, but when he gets asked a basic football question NFI

Whatever suits your agenda

Pending Viney being cleared, not many changes. I hope those calling for Pruess's inclusion have realised the obvious issues with his mobility. He's a back up for Max and needs to learn his craft and develop a tank in the VFL Out:Pruess, Lockhart although he did a defensive job I think he needs a freshen up In. Smith/Weid, Baker B. Jetta May Hibberd HB. Lever Frost Salem C. Baker Oliver Wagner HF. Hunt Petty Fritsch F. Trac Smith/Weid Lewis R. Gawn Viney Brayshaw I/C. Harmes ANB, Wagner, Jones

6.Clarry 5.Fritsch 4.Salem 3.May 2.Lewis 1.Gus

Be a tough ask against them on the rebound. The result, whilst a win would be nice is secondary to me seeing us give a full 4 quarter effort and play some smart football. I don't want to see us dominate the clearances only to bomb it inside 50 down the throat of McGovern and Barrass. I don't want to see us over handball leading to turnover after turnover and I want to see Clarry, Gus, Viney and Harmes running both ways for 4 quarters Go Dees

I'm not directing my view towards you SMJ. I am one who whilst unaccepting of this seasonholds the view tweaks need to be made and the players need to work harder. I see this year as a reality check. I don't like being labelled as accepting mediocrity and having low standards because I don't want a coach sacked or form the opinion that this aeasn would not have happened under Roos/Jackson

They should have listened to SWYL, apparently he knew we were going to have the season like this as soon as Goodwin spoke after last years Prelim performance. No doubt with that insight he saved himself the extra $'s by not ticking for the guaranteed GF package

Was at the Freo vs Swans game, really poor standard of football by both sides. Game played between the arcs, Zac Jones probably BOG but poor skills, How Sydney didn't get a point at least in the last minute is beyond me. Those necking themselves over us being 17th as it currently sits, these two sides are worse than us, not that there is much consolation in that

Anyone using statistics isn't really getting it either. My eyes tell me we've been awful. Measured is accepting injuries play a part, blaming the entirety of the drop off on injuries is foolish There has been a domino effect by a number of factors starting with the last two months of last year. Talking about previous footy depts is pointless Those who claim Roos as a messiah and desperately calling for him back need to accept he wasn't without fault he chose and anointed Goodwin, he went down the line of recruiting all Bulls over outside run he focussed on defence taking away attacking flair of players I believe we 2 to 3 years away from being regular finals side

Great post TU Well measured and pretty accurate assessment

It's no different to posters labelling those who are measured in their assessments as "accepting mediocrity." Which many of the wrist slashers do when asked a general football question

My youngest played halftime little league for the Dees v Eagles game at Optus. It was my first time walking on the optus surface. Noticeably harder than Subiaco Oval. Perth Ovals are built on sand which compacts hard and drains well, which doesn't allow for water to settle in like it does with mud/muck making it softer underfoot I think it's always going to be an issue at Optus

Are you surprised there are a lot of short sighted people on Demonland It's strange how one can be short sighted but still believe Norm Smith, the 87 Prelim, 186 has some hold over this list. Whilst also having no comprehension of how injuries, interupted programs can effect fitness and subsequently have an impact on skills and confidence. and yet it's the Pies supporters who wear the stupidity stereotype

Maybe Hannan will get to 80 games unless injury prevents him from getting there Pruess has shown improvement in the tank from the start of the year but is #2 to one of the 2 best rucks in the comp. Think Sauce Jacobs behind Kruezar I liked what Spargo showed last season and a few minute cameos this season which despite his size give me some hope for him. He's a good user and has a footy brain

We dealt with boo stadium last season and this season silenced them till they got a late goal giving them hope in the 3rd. I agree Barass, Mcgovern, Hurn from the flag plus Shepherd are a tough ask

and that is pretty much what Dermot was saying

Listened to it in its full context, he was on the money and he was cautious in his approach very much talking about the now, he was glowing in his future expectations of Clarrie and Gus

We dealt with boo stadium last season and this season silenced them till they got a late goal giving them hope in the 3rd. I agree Barass, Mcgovern, Hurn from the flag plus Shepherd are a tough ask