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In the off season I made comment of how I liked the way Carlton had built their list after getting all their KPTs in and had/would focus towards mids in their trades and selections from here. I was shot down by a few Deelanders who told me Carlton's list was rubbish and they'd be no good once Kruezar, Simpson and Murphy were gone. I am not all doom and gloom as others seem to be you don't become rubbish overnight and fitness, confidence a few fresh injections and a slight change in game plan will right the ship not saying we'll do a 07 Cats or 17 Tigers but we will learn from this. Nothing comes without hard work and the % we are off in fitness preparation with Oliver, Viney, Tmac, AVB, May, Jetta, Lever, Melksham is huge with our game plan. The ripple effect has impacted others on the list in terms of confidence and whilst we don't have much speed it looks a lot worse when we turining it over and lacking the ability to currently run 2 ways

you need to give up following the MFC it's bad for your judgment and health. Your posts over the 6 weeks of the season show that. Things are never as bad as they seem and they are never as good as they seem

For once and for all to those whinging about Hogan being traded, forget about it he had checked out and wanted out. You can't have players who don't want to be there. And if any moron brings up Tim Kelly don't he hadn't checked out it was his manager looking for a better deal than the first two years as a draftee

Good post Wayne there were positives tonight Effort Players obviously being aware not to rush in to contested possession on mass and get burnt on the outside for the first 3 quarters Defending deeper and not giving easy goals away out the back Forward structure needs a lot of work and we're still a long way off but a couple of things to like

He didn't need to kick much tonight, he beat his direct opponent for the night. If you're judging votes on kicks why have you given Brayshaw a vote, one of our worst turnover offenders by foot tonight

why do you even bother feeding the troll. Struggling to understand how many didn't note his absence for most of 2018

Conference is shot, treat with care FD the kid will come good

The positive tonight was the defence, effort was better but midfield panicked under perceived pressure and fumbled 6. Gawn 5. Hore 4. Tmac 3. Hibberd 2. Stretch 1. Melksham

Not to mention the 10goal loss we may have tomorrow will see the AFL removing us from the Anzac eve fixture, which was another the sky is falling gem

B. Hore TMac Hibberd HB. Hunt Frost Salem C. Stretch Viney Fritsch HF. Melk Weid Trac F. Garlett T.Smith Lockhart R. Gawn, Brayshaw, Oliver I/C. Jones, ANB, JWagner, Harmes We need as many runners as possible across all lines against the Tigers. They will do the same as the Saints try and run us off our feet. Can't play the long bombs against them, but also need to get it in quick in a similar vain to how Port played on Good Friday against the Eagles Two way running and being on the back shoulder of your direct opponent are non negotiables

Carlton are chasing Coniglio hard and have been for a while Zak Jones moving up the pecking order at Sydney this year may push his price up if he shines. His hard run and leg speed are what we need through the middle. Not sold on his decision making and disposal

Whoever we target it's time to start targeting them before the price shoots up. May may be great for us but like Lever came at a heavy cost if they work out great. I like the deals Carlton have done to get Plowman and Marchbank in. I like both players. Having said that both Hibberd and Melksham were good deals which I think the club won

Good points RN and if we win the clearances and deliver the ball inside 50 well enough for Pruess to smash packs or to negate his direct opponent peeling off on Weid/Tmac oppositions will have to worry more about him

My only reservations RN on him are his opponent running off him on the bigger ground. There were times tonight when his lack of mobility was very noticeable. But he was important tonight.

6. Gawn 5. Oliver 4.Jones 3. Trac 2. Salem 1.Hunt Same good momentum breaers in the game winning contests and taking intercept marks from Viney, Hore and Fritter

Yes Rjay that's correct I meant we are taking time to put the pieces together weve got our bulls now the polish

Yes to both doing a proper rebuild this time.

Hindsight is wonderful but you need to look back a lot further than you are. Hawks dynasty was built on the 2001 and 04 drafts and topped up with Burgoyne Lake Hale and Mcevoy. Cats was the 99 and 2001 drafts. We are still paying for the poor drafting in the first 12 years of the noughties which killed our depth. Don't underestimate the importance of having a large amount of 8 to 10 + year AFL hardened players on your list Eagles - Kennedy Darling Shuey Hurn Yeo Hutchings Vardy Masten Schofield Reddan Shepherd Gaff Cripps and Jetta. Some of those players are very ordinary but have the bodies and experience to come in and fill a role allowing the youngster to flourish. It's why you see sides like Eagles Cats Hawks Swans and Pies bounce back so quickly after 2 to 3 years out of contention. The continous development of their lists and evolution of player depth every year. We are about 5 years into building what takes 8 to 10 to build into a long term powerhouse. That is why the injury list and drop off in form of experience is exposing our depth

Round 3 2006 we lost to the Crows on the Gold Coast due to the G being used for the Commonwealth Games. From memory we went down in a close one and showed enough to have turned the corner. We lost Round 1 to Carlton the day before my wife went into labor with our first child. I can tell you now we were better in Rd 3 2006 against the eventual minor premiers than we were Friday night

A modern problem with recruiters, both are players. Constable is a classic case of a mid who knows how to find the pill, but the knock on him was his lack of pace. They focused on what he couldn't do rather on his ball winning assets. I rate Spargo who IMO has a good footy brain. He would have looked decent round 1 and 2 in that Cats forward line

Sorry DD haven't got much info on Kobe and with increased parent sports duties dont get to see as many junior games as I used to or would like to. I speak with some from junior development in the Peel region. They say he shows flashes of great talent but not consistently, I think Kobe is only 16 going on 17. He's not talked about among the up and comers in that age bracket and not part of Peel Thunder Colts squad. I've seen big developments in kids in the 17 to 18 age brackets so you never know but I think at this stage it's a long shot.

It's time to change things up, last week wasn't good, but it was better overall than Rd 1 despite the bigger Margin Players who make things happen need to play and we need to focus on workrate and lower delivery inside forward 50 and applying pressure at the fall of the ball. The Bombers like us are down on confidence and we need to apply pressure from centre clearances to their defensive 50 and not allow them to run and carry. Jetta Omac Hibberd Jones Frost Salem KK Viney Harmes Trac Weid Fritsch Garlett TMac Melk Gawn, Oliver, Brayshaw I/C Keilty/Smith, Hunt, Stretch Wagner only one of Keilty or Smith plays and Sparrow a bit stiff but omitting him for C. Wagner. Although I'm not sure the FD will make 4 changes Out. Sparrow, ANB, Lockhart, May In. Wagner, Garlett, Keilty/Smith, Stretch

Agree agree & agree Ball moves quicker than any player ive seen and it comes back even quicker when your players are committed and poor disposal turns it over. We turned it around last season when we started hitting targets moving forward instead of Bombing aimlessly Whilst Levers out Lewis is still needed to marshal the backline and coach on field.

6.Salem 5.Melk 4.Harmes 3. Fritsch 2.Wagner 1. Sparrow

Well said and as much as I dislike them the Eagles midfield of the mid noughties was something special to watch and probably third in line Cox(better than Primus and Keating and far more mobile) Cousins, Judd, Kerr, Embley, Banfield Braun and Fletcher