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Yes i agree. He'll be gone by 97 or whatever it is. Unless we can somehow split the pick and still be g'teed of landing Young with the first. That might give us 6, 8 and something in the 20s/30s that's more appropriate.

Not at all 247. Watched all highlight vids (about 5) via the league App and he looks very solid. I've been keen on him for a few weeks but that was prior to seeing Pickett. Taylor might be a step up on both but haven't seen any videos. I'm not worried about sources or draft positions. I trust what i see albeit i realise it's limited vision vs Weightman but the eyes don't lie. This bloke is a cat with the X factor we need imv. Having said that i doubt anyone would pick him up in the top 20 or so as they'll be too scared of getting the pick wrong i reckon. Necks on the line.

Correct...and from a running jump it looks like he is able to. Once he gets launched and he is on someone's shoulders or back though, a whole lot of other factors come in to play. Eg; ability to recover after hitting the deck if ball spills or he marks etc.

I am talking running jump Watts. He matches Weightman with the leap factor. A standing jump to get hands on the pill? I don't know about 7cm but yes Weightman would appear to have him covered finishing equal 5th in the vertical jump.

That is how i saw it after watching all highlights of both Young & Weightman (about 16 videos in total). Get Young.....consider Pickett (or Taylor?) before Weightman. Weightman will be solid, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't have the cat like sixth sense crumbing & goal reflexes that Pickett has. He is sleight of hand lightning quick...and not so much across the ground. It's the full reflex package and instinct with both hand and foot. It just happens naturally with deft touch and amazing skills. Not sure about Taylor as i can't see any highlights other than the draft reports which are postive. Anyone worrying about his height...Pickett came equal 9th with Weightman and Oscar Lewis in the running vertical jump in the draft combine and he's 7cm smaller. Still a few centimeters to go also from now till 20ish.

Came 10th in the National Combine running vertical leap WW. Check the first video at the 1 min mark for the launch capability!

I've changed my mind on Weightman. Rather take a chance on this bloke tbh... Super green and possibly a year or so off it but....Genuine X factor, cat like around goals and can take a nice speckie. Came 10th in the National Combine in the running leap test as well. A small that has the tall traits a la Cyril (speckie at the 1 minute mark)... Bit of mongrel never hurt either.... Sixth sense around goal...

Bump. Good pick up Oli. Somewhat wary of a reserves outcome in a secondary league but this bloke might be the ideal small crumbing forward in the draft. Don't let his height bother you. The bloke can leap as demonstrated with the cracking speckie about half way through the vid above. As well as coming 10th in the running vertical jump at the national combine. Cat like reflexes, reads the crumb beautifuly, super mobile and great balance. Clean pick ups & lightning finish around the goals. The ball will be sailing through the goals before half those around him will even know where it is! Big step up to AFL but looks to have it all. I'm now switching from Weightman to this guy as our No.1 small forward target.

Not exactly a small forward but the guy is a dead eye [censored]. The most accurate in any form of professional footy right now. Has a decent leap on him also. Wouldn't be dissapointed if we picked him up as a mature rookie outside the draft somehow. A big step up from much of the chaff on our list at present.

Thanks you two. Now i'm really confused. MFCSS extremism or 'Fake News' !!?? Which one is it?

Not that we need another genuine inside mid but there's a smokey who got a late invite to the combine after being left out of the Vic Metro's Squad. Not overplaying the combine but just out of interest he came 8th in the vertical jump, 1st in the 20m sprint and 6th in the yo yo. Supposed to have blistering break away (from congestion) speed which allows him to escape outside, with the 20m combine result appearing to back this up. Something we truly lack with our core insiders at the moment and something i've been calling for us to address (as a weakness) for quite some time now. I notice he was selected as an 'around the mark' player for the Aints in the Twomey article up there. I'll try and check for some highlights off the NAB app tomorrow. Some on Bomblitz are rating him in their top prospects (with Essendrug needing inside mids). Anyone seen him up close who can shed some light i wonder? Sam Philp An inside midfielder with great speed, Philp has transformed his game to develop more hurt factor as the season went on, becoming a premier midfielder in the NAB League while many of his contemporaries were off with Metro or Country duties. When they returned he matched it with the best of them and could be one of the feel-good stories of the draft given he missed out on Metro selection. Just bullocks his way through stoppages and is hard to stop around the ground. His strong season was rewarded with a National Draft Combine invitation, meaning at least four clubs like what they saw in 2019.

Gould should be in this poll IMO

Watched all 11 of Young's highlight wraps from the the NAB League app, Weightman > 6, Kemp > 3, Serong > 5, Flanders >11, Ash 10 plus the rwo main reels for Stephens & Gould. Based on what we need and who is the best available i would go... Pick 3. Young Pick 8. Weightman/Stephens (can't split those two... haven't seen enough of Stephens and unsure of his actual height with one report saying 183cm another saying 172cm). I seriously don't see much upside for us in the other options aside from Gould IF we were after another tall running HB and i'm not sure we need another. Although who knows, if one or two key backs go down during 2020 with significant injury. Also a handy option for when May hangs the boots up. If we were assured of getting young should we split and received say 6 and a 20 and he Gould was still there around then i would go. Young, Weightman/Stephens & Gould.

Club doesn't have the luxury to wait two years for a rookie inside mid in Kemp to come back from knee surgery until he is fully loaded etc. Big Max might not be at his best in two season's time nor some of the core. The present group might look completely different again if we don't have two very solid years from here and at least one serious finals campaign. Chosen Young, whose kicking and ground ball work is sublime. His follow up work and second efforts are also commendable. Kicks either side as well which makes him that much harder to match up on counter. Only downside is a turn of pace which might see him a little less effective and under a higher degree of pressure at senior level. Missing more kicks and handballs. Seems to have great awareness and knows when to shoot the lights out with a kick (short, medium and raking) or a handball forward to a free running player . Lovely to watch and might end up one of the better AFL kicks in that regard (subject to the lack of speed / step up effect mentioned above). Would hate to miss Young. If for some moment of insanity we did, the next best down the rung for mine (potentially depending on height) is Stephens for outside blitz run and finish. Looks a little raw though and im not sure he is the 183cm player i saw listed somewhere. The official stats have him much smaller at 172ish. Weightman as the second pick for the small forward. Has more X factor, smarts than the more bullocking small in Serong (who reminds me a little of Luke Beveridge!). While Serong looks like a gruntier bull around the ball, Weightman can also play a little tall at times up forward as well as clever work on the outside of stoppages. Goal kicking seems ok even from reasonable distance. Dennis Lillee run up Ben Brown style! Not necessarily a game changing player but very very clever and handy. Knowing when to knock the ball on (a la the Tiger's method) instead of taking possession all the time like so many of our boys do at present. Sometimes you can't teach that so this and ability to play tall up forward is a slight advantage over say a Serong imv. We won't land a 1st string KF this year to take over the No.1 mantle from T-Mac but hopefully we recruit well to fill most of what else is required prior to doing so. To not land even a 2nd string KF with the likes of Jenkins was the club's biggest fail in the trade period imv, although we don't know whether Mahoney/Taylor even tried or not as there's been no comms from the club either way vs say Elliot, where we had reasonable info forthcoming. This should be one of the key questions asked at the forum imv ie; did we make a serious attempt at landing Jenkins for peanuts? If not, why not?

Moon there were patches of this unselfish style from us in 2017/2018. When we did so we rarely lost and it usually included bits of play at some point from Jeffy. We need to find some genuine smalls and a genuine KF. Remembering that the Tiges aren't there by just playing unselfish footy either. They are there due to a very solid 22 and some genuine quality depth players that can fill 5 or 6 gaps when some of their best 22 drop out. They also got Lynch as a top up / back up player for Riewoldt. Not a bad back up! Probably the difference between top 8 and top 4 ...the difference between a place in the big dance vs no place and ultimately another premiership.

Bennell is a massive unknown quantity and his manager didn't sound super confident about his prospects of playing injury free once more. Having said that i wouldn't mind rolling the die on both if we have the space for Martin but tbh i reckon he isn't worth more than about 550k a year. Also would need to put bennell through a serious trial test.

If Stretch is axed and we land Martin as a direct result of the FD reading and then acting upon your best 22 Werridee then i will fair dinkum kiss your [censored] blind folded! (Reluctantly but nonetheless happy in the knowledge our list has improved!).

He was certainly hard at the ball and carrier but not a line breaker Mach and not a very good kick from memory either. Mostly bombing (an all too common on baller trait at the MFC).

It has also been said (by the interstaters) that these rankings are too vic centric and that there's a few from out west that should be higher up and are getting a bit of a short shaft. I noticed this mature age forward from the SANFL prelim played a very nice game. Probably a tad short for what we need but apparantly he is rated the most accurate of any pro footballer going around at the mo including at AFL level...

Petty has some upside but won't be our saviour next season in terms of impacting/kicking enough to make a serious difference to ladder position imv MD. Having said that i liked some of what i saw of him this year and i think he will probably end up fighting with the Weid for the 2nd tall forward position and might even rack up a tidy 20ish goals or so all going well. Can't see the Weid making it as the 2nd KF. 3rd target or back up depth more than likely but he might well prove me wrong. Petty's mobility and willingness to hit any contest hard (not just leading up) should see him slightly ahead of Weid for this spot by season's end with Smith possibly chomping at their heals as the smokey. If we end up swinging May forward for any length of time, beyond an emergency change up move (plan C) in the rare game, i think you will find that it'll be because one or more of our KF options up forward have failed quite badly prior to that and we are struggling to put a winning score on the board (again). If that is the case the season will probably be close to gone or over by that stage. I much prefer that May rarely goes forward as that should mean the opposite and possibly even an outside chance at playing finals.

Taking the game on, decent finish and on the move to receive AF while also thinking about the state of play with a short kick from the run out of the square and the switch kick from the boundary. A fair jump to AFL level of course but a few things i really like as well.... Hitting in hard at the contest on the wing...ie; not afraid to throw his weight around; and Drifting across the front of packs to take courageous well read marks a la this little grab from a while back (ok might be a bit of a stretch here but you get my drift!)...

IF we end up splitting a pick and getting three bites...Gould does show mighty potential as an intercepting general across HB. At 98kg and 191cm the bloke is an imposing beast for an 18yo. Currently playing seniors for Glenelg, Back to back All Australian. Ranked 17 (down two places) in Twomey's latest phantom update. Subject to a big pre-season / trimming down a tad he could just about walk in to an AFL side from day dot. While not wishing that upon him, let's say with no Frosty, we lost a May, Lever or Hore at some point in 2020. Gets a few games and a sniff of what AFL is like. Back to develop at Casey for a while in prep for 2021 etc. Placing pressure on others to hold their spot never hurts as well! Forgetting an early call up is he a generational player that might help us to some long awaited silverware along the lines of a Shannon Hurn as some are pitching? Was considered close to BOG in SA's under 18 Rnd 4 one point loss to Vic Metro (courtesy of a last kick goal to Kemp) back in July (some of his highlights below are from that match). Some are putting up Ash as an option early. I'm thinking this guy could match him plus some...and hit the ground running a tad earlier into his career also with his size and intercept marking, offering early value for the pick and potentially a great long term one as well with May not getting any younger. Getting him with the 3rd pick also allows us to use the two early ones, say a 6 & 8 to snag some higher end talent as already well covered here eg; from a Young, Kemp, Stephens and Weightman. And don't be deceived by Weightman's relatively lowish ranking guys. The guy will be on everyone's radar (needing small forward talent) and will get taken a tad earlier than 12ish imv. Need to grab earlier if we are going for it. Thoughts? Highlights & some article extracts / links below FYI... Courtesy ESPN Doerre... Player Focus In his best performance of the Under-18 Championships, South Australian captain Will Gould was a force in defence. An Under-18 All-Australian in 2018, Gould's vision and precise 60m kick means he has been utilised as South Australia's playmaker from defence, often taking his side's kickouts. Drawing comparisons to Shannon Hurn due to his leadership traits, Gould is a unique defender at 191cm, 98kg in that he can play tall or small with the strength to match anyone one-on-one in combination with an explosive burst of speed that allows him to play smaller and generate run from defence. These attributes are rounded out with Gould's intercept marking capabilities as a strong overhead mark and early reader of the ball off the opponent's boot. full article here.... https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/27109039/afl-draft-wrap-unique-defender-booming-boot-looms-first-round-force

Ok i have an ipad so that might do it. Many thanks LT

How are you determining that MD when all we seem to have footage wise is that one lovely kick inside up there? Do you have other stuff you can share pls?