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Horse racing not a sport? You have to be kidding right. For gods sake it is the Sport of Kings. It is one of the great sports, involving incredible athleticism and courage. Try telling a jockey he is not a sportsmen. And since when is the definition of sport been that it has to stand alone without betting?

Hird spoiling for a fight. Desperate to ensure Ad cops it. From the same article: The issue has escalated as a result of Tania Hird's attack on the AFL yesterday, revealed exclusively in the Herald Sun. Hilarious really how desperately the Hun want in on the action. Rupert must have been furious with all the Walkley attention the age got over the supplement scandal. As i have said Hird and News ltd is a marriage of convenience.

Indeed and that salary could be paid by any number of business EFC has connections with an the AFL would not care one jolt.

Excellent move by the AFL. I haven't missed the like function until this topic. Some excellent posts and points made. Kudos to Sue, BB, WJ, 55 and Redleg. Some excellent points made. One that a couple of people have made is that issue of AD being held to ransom over suggestions he gave the bombers the heads up about ASADA. As has been noted by others this is so strange given if true (which is denied) it would have been done to help the Bombers and the players (and of course the AFL itself). This betrays totally the agenda of Hird and his band of sympathizers. The issue of governance is interesting in terms of the AFL but unless proof is uncovered that they have made secret deals i for one can't see any failure of governance. And at the risk of being accused of being a AD fan boy i can't see what he has done wrong apart from his massive ego and some intemperate and arrogant comments in the press. He is the CEO of a major organisation. His job is to run it. He reports to his board (the commission) not New ltd. I suspect that therre is a marriage of convenience etween Hird and News Ltd. Both hate AD and want him gone. The recent (crap) article by Rebecca Wilson, a couple by Chip Le Grand and also Yobbo betray that the believe AD has been rude to them (yelling gets a few mentions, arrogant, dismissiveness). So what? This is perhaps poor interpersonal skills but it is up his board to manage that. So much of the attack against him seems to be about squaring things up. Which is not the job of a journalist. Stick to reporting the news not making ridiculous editorial calls (eg Ad MUST be sacked - please!)

I just posted something similar in the AFL in trouble thread. Your post got to the heart of the matter much more effectively (and in a lot less words!) Geese indeed.

I still maintain that the whole Hun palaver is a complete and utter beat up. Pathetic really the headers etc in today's paper - Bombshell, AFL in crisis yada yada. And the editorial in today's paper call for an inquiry (perhaps a senate inquiry it helpfully suggests) - what a joke. That said i have to say that if the article linked below is correct and they didn't ensure the Terms of Deed explicitly stated that EFC couldn't pay Hird it is pretty sloppy by the AFL and its legal team. Not hanging stuff - and certainly not cause for an inquiry or even the AFL to be too severely criticized, i mean in the end what does it matter if they pay him or not, it's just more money being drained from their coffers - but sloppy none the less. http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-no-pay-for-hird-was-a-verbal-guarantee-20131205-2ysyl.html

I would say that arbitration occurs after negotiation has broken down. Arbitration is not a mediation process. Essendon had the opportunity to go before the commission i would have assumed, though neither party would have been keen on that outcome given the money and time involved - hence the confidential negotiation. Your example of environmental groups negotiating in public (ie using the media) might be valid though even in that scenario such action is perhaps more akin to advocacy and activism than negotiation. And such an approach is likely to be pretty one sided given developer and governments are never keen on engaging in public negotiation (and a one sided negotiation is an oxymoron). Anyway silly to argue to about semantics and each to their own

I'm still struggling. Any arbitration commission is a tribunal where two parties put a case forward for an independent body to make a decision. The free dictionary notes that arbitration is 'The process by which the parties to a dispute submit their differences to the judgment of an impartial person or group appointed by mutual consent or statutory provision.' How then is post #1951 an example of non confidential negotiation? Leaving that aside do you have an example, in a business and/or legal context where negotiation is open to the public or non confidential?

Well i guess negotiation can be non confidential but i'm struggling to think of an example of where it would be. Certainly not in legal or business context. Can you think of a high profile example where a sensitive legal and/or business matter is negotiated in an open, non confidential way?

. The bombshells keep coming

The last sentence of the article quoted above is the key to why we drafted him. Total solid citizen who is a leader and is looking to learn. Exactly what the club needs more of.

We now have a coach who believes in teaching (ironic since the last one was a teacher)

. you're kidding right? Biggest non story ever. You surprise me redleg. Nothing, Nada,zip will come from this.

One of the biggest beat ups I've ever read. Afl works behind the scene to broker best outcome!!!!! Shock horror. Funny some of the hysterical reactions in this thread actually.

I have read this post a few times to make sure i'm not misreading it (and to do my best to give some benefit of doubt). But it is very hard not to come to the conclusion that this disturbing and offensive post is simply another example of how inherently racist Australia is and how far we have to go as a country .

Yep, well said.

And if more reminders are required. Oh and he has missed 28 games through suspension.

As a reminder of what [censored] this guys is: ' Brown is suspended until Round 2 next season after being banned for kicking Melbourne midfielder James Strauss in the head, the latest in a string of misdemeanours during his 205-game career with Hawthorn and Gold Coast.'

I do. Brown is a first class DH and a complete thug to boot. Nicho is not. I heard Brendan McCartney say on SEN that for him when determining who to take in the draft more than 50% of the decision is based on character. Brown wouldn't even get drafted these days.

That's last years leadership group

I see some similarities between Salem and the Toump - and not just looks. In the Pick Me video in the HUN and in his post drafting interview with Burgs he mentions the importance he places on learning a number of times. An impressive thing to be focused on and something that no doubt is super appealing to clubs these days and Roos as well. I get the same vibe from the Toump. The Toump seems super motivated to get better and i suspect he would not need to be told that in today's footy all players need to be able to win their share of clearances. No doubt he'll work on it I suspect both Salem and the Toump will flourish under Roos and the improved development at the club (at least i'm hoping it will be improved).

Alexis Georgiou next. Without access to any video highlights looks a gun. We've got a beauty who will meet our needs and add to our mid field mix. I predict he will train the house down. And at number 50 in the rookie draft - Neville 'jets' Jetta. from the 6 or so years of vision is not a gun but i love him. He is training the house down and i for one am rapt he is still with us. Prove the doubters wrong Nev!

Max King our next pick. Without access to any video highlights looks a gun. We've got a beauty who will meet our needs and add to our mid field mix. I predict he will train the house down.

Looks a gun from the 58 seconds of highlights. We've got a beauty who will meet our needs and add to our mid field mix. I predict he will train the house down.

Perhaps but i am assuming he still wants the gig. I'd suggest Roos whispered in Trenners ear that he thought giving up the good would be wise. I don't reckon he's had the same conversation with Grimes.