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All club songs are song with more aggression when the team is winning than losing. From 2000-2004, you could hear the "WHADDA WE SING!?" clearly. Now, no one cares. Hawks were the same. Tigers are the exception because they just have a kick ass song and need the "Yellow and Black" as they haven't had anything else to cheer for in 20 years.

Land Rover.

We have a low junior supporting base because we haven't had a marquee player in 40 years. That's the main factor when it comes to attracting young supporters imo. While I didn't approve of McNamee offering Brown a 5 year contract, he had the right idea, you have to give him that at least. He acknowledged that we didn't have a marketable player on the list and he tried to get us one.

Geelong missed set shots on Saturday because of intense pressure by the Hawthorn backline. The Hawks took advantage of an average Geelong forward line and put them in a situation they've never really been in. They panicked and missed set shots. Luck has nothing to do with it.

Geelong didn't "get lucky". They developed a great culture and a great team that bonded well. Luck has nothing to do with it. We're getting so many injuries because we don't have the facilities to maintain those injuries. It happens far too often for it to be "bad luck". It's how you recruit, the eye for talent, the culture of the club, the facilities. I don't think it's "luck" that Hawthorn won the flag now instead of ten years ago when they had nothing. It's gotten to a stage now were financial stability and off-field facilities are integral to success. You can't continue as a professional sporting club with facilities that are on-par with a junior football clubs' facilities. You could probably get away with it 15-20 years ago, but now you can't. Hawthorn reinvented its image and club, so did Geelong. When you couple off-field improvements with great recruiting, you have the answer to a flag. ATM, we have nothing. No facilities and an unproven football department. The next 3 years will define the MFC like no other 3 years have. Like it was said in that article, Hawthorn turned the tide at the end of 2004. I guess you could say that our change in tide happened with the 2.5 mil and Styned jumping on board. I hate to do this, but I blame a lot of Melbourne's current position on Daniher and his team, and on CAC. They were ignorant, stupid men that only had an eye for short-term instead of long-term. They tried quick fixes that didn't work, and when you couple that with a poor culture off field, you create a disaster, hence the past 2 years. Having Daniher stay on beyond 2003 was a volcano waiting to erupt. On-field and off-field compliment each other more than people realise. You won't see a club like NM in 99 win the flag again. They were poor with nothing, yet still managed to win it. That won't happen again. Unless you can develop a good list with a stable financial outlook, you have no chance.

God damn Gale and the Players Association annoy me. It's given far too much power to the players and not enough to the AFL and clubs. If a player fails to represent that organisation that has contracted him on a performance and behavioral-based contract in a mature manner, that organisation should have the right to terminate the contract. Surely in every player contract it has something along the lines of the player acting as a representative of the club? If anything remotely like that is in the contract, Melbourne have every right to terminate it. My feeling is that clubs haven't done so in the past because of fear of the players association. Get rid of him. He sucks anyway. *looks at favorite players under his av*

After his year this year and leadership qualities, I wouldn't want anything less than a top 15 pick. What top team would he get a game at? I don't think he'd fit at the Hawks or Doggies, and I think he'd struggle to get a game at Geelong. Maggies? Sydney? Either way, I'm confident he'll eventually resign.

Yep, pretty much. Davey should be 28-30 by the time we're pushing for a flag (hopefully). Expect Carroll to be let go at seasons end. Anyway, Collingwood have the leagues youngest list, which will get even younger with quite a few older, experienced players leaving.

Trading Green or Bruce for draft picks won't achieve anything. You need to trade players that aren't going to have a major influence with on-field leadership and success when they're gone. Players like Colin Sylvia, Daniel Bell, Nathan Jones. They are our most tradeable assets imho and I'd be willing to trade one or more of them for a pick in the 10-30 range this year and next.

Hawthorn's list is a developed, experienced version of our current side. They were no different to us as we are now, 4 years ago.

Don't worry. Your dreams of seeing Neitz with the cup will change to dreams of Bruce/Green holding the cup in 5 years, then Davey and Rivers in 10 years, then Brock in 12 years. Don't worry. Your sorrow for Neitz won't last for long. Unless we win a flag soon, in which case he'd have just missed out. That would suck...

Our fall-off over the past 2 years is probably on par with Hawthorn's from 2001-2004. They went from a Prelim team to a disgrace. They rebuilt and have now won the flag. Can we do the same? Before our terrible year on the bottom, Hawthorn was probably the next worst over the past 8 or so years when they were down there. Can we rebuild AND win a flag. Rebuilding obviously just isn't enough.

Come on Cats. PLEASSSSSSSSE

Even if we weren't tanking, we still wouldn't have won. There's your answer.

Let's say St. Kilda fished around for offers for Dal Santo during trade week this year (totally possible imho). Would you want him at the MFC and who would you trade for him? Daniel Bell, Michael Newton and 25+ draft pick for Dal Santo? Think they would take that? Maybe Green and filler for Dal Santo?

Speak for yourself...

RunAndCarrySucks - welcome to the forum. I hope you're used to be around whining, winging and dedicated football supporters. Because that's what we are, and things get heated up around here during the decision and other important dates. Make sure to stick around!

The whole "clash" theory has been conjured up by the AFL to give teams an excuse to make another jumper that increase public merchandise sales slightly. They have another product to sell.

I'm confident next year will be worse than this year. We're losing several veteran and experienced players, and replacing them with 18-20 yo's with little to no experience. I'd be surprised if we get more than 2 wins next year.

Exactly my thoughts.

Like them. I think it's a matter of time before all clubs implement jumper like that

So what, Carroll and Holland fought EACHOTHER? Am I reading this correctly?

Jared Rivers is our most important. Followed closely by Davey.

26 was our leading goalkicker? Joking, right?