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Suns will imo get a pick at end of first round. I suspect we're pleading our case to NOT have GC get picks 1 and 2.

Percentage is a significant gauge of performance though. Otherwise why have it? Fremantle was arguably the worst minor premier in recent memory because of that, because they had a fairly low percentsge for a top 2 side. Their drop off was not as great as our for that reason. We went from scoring 31% more than our opponents on average, to 23% less. They went from 15% more, to 26% less. This is my point about our fall and season year on year being much worse. The gap between our 2018 best and our 2019 worst is largee than their 2015 best and 2016 equivalent. Just facts.

Drop in ladder position doesn't mean much. Their percentage fell -37%. Ours stands to have dropped about 42% by end of round 23 (we've seen -40% thus far). So no, Freo's season wasn't worse.

Great post. Of course, there are many other variables and impacts, and I would suspect the revenue impact would be a better reflection next to projections as well as comparatively vs 2018. I suspect the club expected a 25%-40% increase in revenue given favourable draw, reach, marketing, interest, exposure, and attendance. Instead we are looking at probably something closer to a 3%-5% increase (I think we'll still see an increase overall). So growth has hit a major speed bump and stands to move into the negative over the summer and into 2020. The old "doom loop". Goodwin and co. have a lot banking on them turning this around.

If we lose by 100 points this weekend (very possible), we'll have experienced the largest year-on-year decrease in percentage (as a %, not a subtraction) this century. Current rate: Carlton 2001-2002 -43.13% 5th-16th West Coast 2007-2008 -41.04% 3rd-15th Melbourne 2018-2019 -40.72% 5th-17th Richmond 2015-2016 -35.42% 5th-13th Fremantle 2015-2016 -37.41 1st-16th

Nick Maxwell became a decent player after being named captain. You could argue he wouldn't have been best 22 in a near unbeatable Pies team if he wasn't captain. Except he, like all strong leaders, excelled and exerted +100% to lead from the front. He was an average player striving to be the best. That's great leadership.

Here is the "Doom Loop" as Brendan Gale envisioned when he joined the Tigers in 2011. The "doom loop" is actually a common concept in the corporate world, albeit used sparingly because people are too scared or fearful of negativity and realism. This fear leads to unrealistic expectations and targets, because optimism leads to overly optimistic goals and targets. Essentially and simply the "loop" suggests that any negative impact both precedes and proceeds another impact, eventually forming a loop. So, negative on field performance impacts attendance, membership, and brand power, which impacts sponsorship, which impacts revenue, which impacts spending power, which impacts resources, which impacts on field performance, which impacts.. and round and round. What I am getting at is that, regardless as to whether or not you or I purchase memberships, there is an impact caused by and causing towards poor on field performance. Rather than saying, "We need your support", the club should be asking, "Why don't we have their support". We know that attendance the last few weeks has been poor and will impact the bottom line. Round and round and it's a vicious cycle...but you can break it. Another thread a few weeks ago spoke about "brand" and "identity" and some here ridiculed the concept. "Just play good footy!" they cried. But it is more than that. If the environment lacks a vision, coherence, realism, and accountability, eventually it all tumbles. Pert, Goodwin, Mahoney and co have a lot of work to do. Previously they have ignored the Doom Loop and instead painted a rosy picture, which some here have gobbled up like turkeys at feeding time. Goodwin now appears to have reached breaking point and sees the loop formed. He is angry and frustrated at both the process and himself: this is the first step towards redemption. He has let those around him down. No more pointing the fingers at each other, or at members that don't renew or don't show up. Instead look at the start of the loop and ask why it got to where it is. I'm more confident now that we can turn it around because Goodwin has admitted they [censored] up -- thus being "negative" -- rather than before when we were saying it was an anaomoly, all is well, we will bounce back, etc etc. How will you bounce back? What went wrong? What is the impact? How do you quantify the impact? For the first time ever the club has actually come out and said, "We stuffed up". And now the Doom Loop is vulnerable. But it became full circle when we had Barlett saying the year was an anaomoly with absolutely no context, solution, or rational reasoning. so if someone doesn't want to renew, my response is, "Okay, we are here: how did we arrive?"

It's always something with Melbourne. And only Melbourne could be bad because of a rule.

Yes he has one season left in the VFL. He is done.

Jones absolutely needs to go. Lewis should be begged to hang around the club. Give Jones his life membership and make him a guest every now and then. but thanks for your service. Goodbye. Viney demoted to VC. Gawn Captain. Anyone arriving to pre season overweight immediately suspended for round 1. ANB, Spargo, JKH, Stretch, Garlett to be shown the door. We need to stop hanging onto absolute spud list cloggers. Since I've been supporting this club for 30 years our list has been littered with lightweight spuds that we hang onto for way too long. I don't give a [censored] how efficient they are or how many tackles they lay. They are career "career players": every match they play, they play like they are playing for their career. Please just get rid of them ffs. Put AVB up for trade to see what you get. Dangle Brayshaw, Viney, and Hunt to see what's available and what their market value is. If someone bites with pace, skill and football smarts, do what you can to get the trade done. If we land with pick 2, Anderson. If necessary find a way to upgrade to get pick 1. Throw Brayshaw and pick 2 to GC for pick 1 and a filler. Goodwin given until round 12 to show improvement. At this stage I have changed my assessment and don't believe us to be finals caliber. Therefore I have lowered the expectation from "contention" to at least a record of 5-5. If any less, a % of less than 85% and he should be shown the door. I could go on and on.

Richmond and Geelong both resembled finals teams at points during those season. Geelong never looked terrible, they were just mid range and under performed. Richmond won 8 games but lost a few games by 80 points hence the sub-80% percentage. We have been the only team this year that has been consistently average and below AFL standard. GC started okay and won a few games. We have been terrible all season. 2019 is not our 2006 Geelong or 2016 Richmond equivalent. It is our 2014 Melbourne equivalent. We have a gauge of where we are at and a clean out and rebuild is necessary. Goodwin unfortunately doesn't have the benefit of time. Unless he and the club find a mutual ground and admit that they have completely [censored] up player management, depth, and expectations, in which case he may last his contract. But good luck explaining that to members. They stayed neutral, expecting continuous linear improvement to occur with minimal influence. I've never seen a more angered membership base. You have major stakeholders now that were in their mid-to-late teens in in the late 2000s who are now professionals and are just sick of this crap. I intend to attend the AGM and I want detailed responses to clear questions. I don't want PR fluff or corporate jargon. I am a paying stakeholder and I want details. Hardwick was questioned after 2016 and so was Thompson after 2006. But they were coaching doubts. There are major concerns about the football department and club here that reflect yet another restructing. People on this forum continue to blindly expect things to be rosy again. It's a subtle acceptance of this year's mediocrity.

Coaching, leadership, development. Age and experience have an impact. But time and time again the same issues present. Culture. Support. The Melbourne Football Club is a losers club. Brisbane at least can refer modern players to a flag from last decade. There is always something with us. The same apologists. The same [censored]. It's always something. Own up to it. You [censored] up and mismanaged players. Own it and rectify it you losers.

you definitely do not need a membership to watch AFL matches

I've heard a few things that have actually filtered through connections at other clubs, so not directly via Melbourne, but I know of the captain you refer to, and I have been calling for us to trade him for years. It's now reached a point where he has no value, so we're basically stuck "servicing" him now. Granted, however, these issues have been present for a few years so maybe not necessarily a catalyst for this year's issues, or perhaps it reached critical point. As for the other issues you have mentioned, all I've heard is of the "ego" of the president, but not really in the context of Melbourne. The wheels have well and truly fallen off though. We're back to Neeld rhetoric now with the "we don't know what's going wrong" or "we are working to change this". It's not turning around anytime soon.

I'm an AFL Gold Member so there is no way I am relinquishing that but my mum isn't renewing hers from what she's told me. Yeah, 12 bad seasons in 13 ain't that bad!

Spargo has the endeavor and heart of someone that's 6"6 120kg. Pity he's the size and weight of a newborn.

Has one bad game and now there is something wrong with him. Will be top 5 in B&F. Perhaps a smokey.

Nah they're just wrist slashers. We'll be right. We have the team. Goodwin is the man. Etc Etc etc.

It's not irrelevant. They report to the CEO. They're paid the big bucks to do a job, which is held to account by the CEO. The higher the pay grade, the fewer the number of people above you. CEO is held to account by the board. The board by members/stakeholders. This is how organizations work. If the marketing department doesn't deliver, the CEO asks why, and the board asks why of the CEO. The board isn't going to the marketing team to see why a sponsor wasn't signed.

Whose "Head Of" responds to the CEO.

players wouldn't dare. after the [censored] camp fiasco and their performance this year (and for parts last year) they would be ridiculed by their peers and the media. And are we convinced it was the younger brigade that complained? I'd really not be surprised if it was someone within the leadership group.

Tbh there has to have been more to the Dunkley and Spargo ins. I wonder if Hunt and Baker had broken team rules? It's either that or blatant tanking.

10.4 to 2.10 since quarter time.

this has been a common theme for 3 years, mono.

there's maybe 2k Melbourne supporters here. they'll be gone at three quarter time.