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Hogan has a great footy IQ. Always thinking and is very good with chip kicks, tap ons etc.

Talk to me after the weekend when we get shafted by umpiring.

This thread title is embarrassing. Mods can we please change it? Maybe 'questionable umpiring?' Imagine the media quoting this garbage. We would look like the biggest bunch of idiots going around. Let alone have the whole umpiring dept ensuring we get completely rogered this weekend

There are some weird numbers in here. Mostly looks like BS to me. North more than Melbourne? I doubt it. The Swans? Well 98% of NSW would say Swans. What does it really mean? Giants 175,000 you're kidding.

Brent Moloney was the best pointer in the business. No point settling for second best...

Do we have to start a thread for every player that is leaving another club? Stupid idea. NDH policy prevails. He isn't that good. Next.

For the blood rule players can come on before the bleeding player has left the field. The delay is usually because it takes a few seconds to work out that a player is coming off, who should replace them, what rotations are due and a final check to see whether the structures are right and any last minute instructions..

The other interesting thing about this table is that Melbourne is the ONLY club not to have had a positive differential of more than 11 in ANY year. #MFCSS lives

He'd be happy with a new ute, a McDonalds gift voucher and a drinks card at 21st Century in Frankston...

Smith would come back in before Hunt I suspect... It would allow Fritsch to move fwd. He done some good things in defence but sometimes his one on one isn't quite there. Prefer him delivering to forwards as a link man or kicking for goal.

I am not an OMac fan but he was OK on the weekend. His shortcomings are different to Frost and in a way polar opposite. He is slow, particularly reaction time but also turning circle. He has little physical presence - although his Darling tackle was a ripper - and is often fumbly. He was lucky not to have given away a free at a critical time to Venebles I think when he fumbled the mark and then tried to duck the tackle in the 4th. Could have been so much worse. Oscar's disposal is pretty good Frost on the other hand is very quick, physical, can take a solid mark and makes life difficult for good forwards as he is difficult to play on. Disposal and decision making are his two biggest weaknesses and the club has been trying to limit these telling him in effect to give the ball off straight away by hand where possible. A combination of the two would be perfect and the question is when Lever returns who gets the gig alongside him. there isn't room for all three IMO. It might be match ups that determine it. Against the Swans Frost did well on Buddy and OMac was pretty reasonable on McCartin.

Still my fav piece of Clarrie action!

What you don't seem to get is that the players that put in were mightily peeved at JW for his cavalier attitude. They like Jack but were sick of him. From the horses mouth. He forfeited the right to be here because he refused to put in. The players lo e Bayley Fritsch because he bleeds for the club. Something JW was incapable of doing.

You can rant all you like. His year at Port really just puts an exclamation mark on the point that he is a downhill skier. Would add nothing to our side because he doesn't put in. Bayley Fritsch, a first year player, beats him in nearly every key stat. Jog on.

So stop your Bullshiite. Improvement was not always going to happen. It just doesnt happen. It requires players that are invested in getting the best out of themselves and making personal sacrifices for the betterment of the team. Witness Gawn over the pre-season losing 9kgs or Oliver losing all his weight and choosing to swim 100kms over summer, or Brayshaw running 100x 100s on Christmas day. Watts was never like that. Came back from a great Xmas and promptly got dropped for all of the pre-season games because he didnt do the required work over the break. He was a lazy coaster with talent. Sylvia got more out of himself than Watts ever did but lazy arsed players like that can never be relied upon to put in at all times. They pick and choose. And in a footyclub that is a cancerous attitude. Jack from all reports is a ripping bloke but doesn't really care about footy. That is great. Just not at my club. He is best gone.

Time to target Oliver..was what they said...hmmmm how well did that work for you?

Some choice quotes from WCE BigFooty forum: THOSE USELESS ****IN GREEN MAGGOTS They couldn't suck Melbourne's dick any harder, they climaxed on the Umps face so hard. [censored] THOSE NON HTBs , [censored] MELBOURNE, [censored] VICTORIA, Damn THIS TEAM, [censored] BT, [censored] THOSE GREEN MAGGOTS AGAIN - ******* lol at that umpiring. Outstanding effort to get Melbourne over the line, brown paper bag stuff. Maggots with the reverse affirmation which is no accident. Negatives: Umpires cheating, congrats AFL you got what you wanted. Was only listening on the radio but it sounds like we were shafted pretty hard by the umpiring in that first quarter. The commentators couldn't believe some of the non calls. Negatives: - VFL umpiring. If that continues for Melbourne then it’s obvious that they’re the next Western Bulldogs who won GF with umps turning a blind eye to throwing. Today we saw continuous throwing, incorrect disposal, HTB, high tackles, Holding the man, scragging and stray elbows continuously not paid against the Dee’s. Pathetic. Mulldog Anyone at all surprised that Oscar McDonald was cleared for his tackle on Darling? One arm pinned, hint of a downwards drive in the tackle and a player out of the game with concussion. CN9000:The umpiring was certainly perplexing today, to say the least. The AFL recently had a inquiry into the supposed "advantage" we receive, and I think today was symptomatic of their attempt to fix a non existent problem - the amount of non calls alone is testament to that fact. I'm guessing they instructed the Victorian based umps they brought in (also part of the "solution") to hold back on calling blantent frees, to lesson the amount of free kicks in the game and let it "flow" more. Are you serious? Did the AFL actually have an enquiry into this?? The problem was Hocking (No 16) who deserved all of the criticism directed at the umps. It looked as crooked as you can get.

Ha! I posted the table on the west coast eagles thread on BigFooty saying "I'll just leave this here..." and they deleted it!

Gawn was blocked on the goal line by Rioli in the decision that went to the review. Rioli just charged at Gawn to stop him from jumping at the ball. The free against Spargo for holding Barass could just as easily been paid to Spargo for Barass holding Spargo away from the ball. Oliver was held at every centre bounce. There are plenty......

Well it is when you have your pants on

Great table. An absolute statistical outlier and a disgrace that needs to be looked at. In the last 11 years only 12 times has a team had a +/- differential greater than 75. West Coast have had 5 and all plus. They have never had a negative free kick year in the last 16 years. Hawthorn had one. -99 in the year they played 'unsociable fotball' Bulldogs had one +112 in their permiership year when they got away with throwing everything as well. Geelong had have two (one a GF year) Port, Brisbane, Carlton have had one. Pull your finger out AFL and do something about this.

Final count is correct.. I'm saying it was incredibly lopsided after 1/4 time.

I watched the game and I think that is harsh. Put in the hard yards on a horrible day. Would pick him over Garlett in a heartbeat. And given GWS are quick he could come in and do a run with role or fwd pressure role easily.

(yawn) which bit of 4 good games in 150 do you not get? A player that was on the list for 9 long years? Not treated harshly at all. Was told exactly what he had to do and failed to do it. Has the distinction of being dropped by every single senior coach he has had. He even dropped himself. 1 top 5 finish in the B&F. Says it all. Worse at the Bluey presentation when he got up to speak he unbelievably said words to the effect "its taken me a while to get up here (to speak at the B&F). Normally I'm down there drinking the free [censored]. I guess I now know what it takes." He then came back from the summer break and was dropped for all pre season games because his skin folds weren't right and his training regime was not as it should have been. Goodwin rightly said 'I am going on holdays and this bloke had better not be here when I get back'. You don't create success with people like Jack Watts at your club. You create success with people like Harmes, Viney, Max and others that bust a gut. Coasters like Watts are cancerous in a club because young players come in and see that senior players aren't working hard why should they. Good on the club for taking the hard decision. And I would also bet that the players would now say we are better without him.

I support the club. Players come and go. Yes Dunn stuck with us and it wasn't his decision to leave us. When he is finished playing I will remember him perhaps more fondly. Dunn I remember sending out a barrel against St Kilda at Etihad and Roos went apoplectic. Dunn I think never played again for us. Refused to follow instructions and thought he knew better. I remember his wild celbrations when the Filth knocked us out of the finals in rd 23 last year. Over the top. In the infamous Richmond game where Jordan McMahon kicked the winner after the siren, it was Dunn who led the player revolt in the middle of the ground and later created mischief for the club in the tanking investigation (along with Brock McLean the nowhere man - or Carlton legend ha ha). So maybe in 20 yrs I might forgive Dunn. But not for now.