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Now thats just taking the proverbial p!ss out of us surely!!! I do seriously question how and why the MFC let the AFL take the lead on this !!

quick work by mods there !!! ta

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,2...0-23211,00.html both cleared by match review committee.

Pure speculation i confess.: Hawthorn were fair game the next week as there wasnt the same fire in them. Had wwe got there.. we would have been sizzling !!

jeff white is already 2 years past it ( he doesnt affect games..so therefore he's past it ) to continue with him is to revisit errors of the past. To not learn from history is to be doomed to repeat it. !! Quite frankly was happy to let Robbo go.. so far nothing to suggest that was amiss. Point is you are insane to keep players...just because youre afraid to replace them..and try things. If they were all super delivers week in week out we , none of us, would not be having this conversation !!

we're not that different..you say 6..add 2 rookies on average..thats 8.. not too far from my 9-10 some years you may do 10-11..others 8-9.. not that different differing ends of same pole i'd suggest

keeping in mind a player list of 44-45 any given year.. 2-3 might topple off the end..natural causes; just past use-by !!..................... (2) any given year a couple of rookies make way for a couple more rookies; say 2.......................(2) a g y... a couple of younguns havent made the grade after all.. tried but failed say 2..............(2) a g y one player goes in trade; say 1.................................................................................(1) a g y 2 players see the writing on wall and retire; might be injury, might be form......................(2) thats 9-10 without really trying !! I'd actually suggest in order to retain a list that was current, useful and effective you actually HAVE to turnover 10 or so a year. To not do so is foolhardy .

fair enough...but when are we EVER given the facts !! lol B)

Not too shabby an effort there Deereeming. and youre right your be fired upon from all directions...I must confess id agre with about 95% of that. For some there are a few too many unpalateble 'realities'. But thats what they are ...realities.. not niceties..they're not preferences.. they are simply the REAL of the situation. No good for me or tohers to gripe that some should be done ealierr than end of year.. but thats also a reality !! lol simply no point continuing with Jeff.. to do so is to accomplish what ??? we turned over 25% of our list last year.. so why not again?? i dont see too many traded at years end.. maybe the odd extra yongen ( superfluous to requirements) certainly no older player will command much currency. I have a funny feeling that Bails might use Meeson as a 2nd up ruck come burgeoning kpp; time wil tell. But one thing is for sure..any ongoing success will be with a 2009 type list...not our current cobbled-d-goo !! A simple lesson for end of 2008...be absolutely brutal.. cut anyone not up to it...no matter who they are. ..thats not just a reality...its common sense !! I'll just go sit over there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and watch now

Jeff White ...use by 2006 !! enough said !!

Not a lot different !!!! He's not the impact Ruck he once was. The longer we have any reliance on Jeff the longer this position is a problem .

and then there were three ........ !!!!!! http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/conl...5125821335.html gunna be interesting !!

And yet that is the way of the jungle in order to survive. I suspect there is more eating to go actually !! Still the idea that we undergoing a metamorphisis is spot on. There is more pain to come... more people to come on board and some to go. Some of these will be stalwarts of the club, yet they arent part of the picture going forward. This IS what its all about...a picture going forward. Part of Melbourne's problem is actually also what makes it great...tradition, loyalties.. nostalgia etc.. and yet none of these will effectively win a game!! No good reminiscing in the long room or such about the grand ol' teams of 59 and 64 etc.. ..what are they going to do.. resurrect themselves and lead the charge ?? of course not. Its up to the here and now players..the here and now club officials. To use what they have to make it better..and better..and better !! Melbourne has talent.. unfortunately as much belongs in the "has seen better days " dept as does it in the "potential" frame of mind. What is on the paddock is only a start. More chaff to be sorted form the wheat. More Wannabes cut from the Willabees !! And more top ups from the well !! Only so much was able to be effected regards the list this time round.. but 25% wasnt a shabby effort. it simply wasnt able to go further. I have no dount a similar effect at end of year and that will make a 50% change in lineup in 2 years..To say nothing of the off field line up. I like many had hoped we might shine a little brighter than we have so far but it seems this may not be our lot this year. So what..are we really that surprised ? Persoanlly I will try and keep a lid on any real pessimism regarding his year.. it will be what it is.. and thats probably not all that pretty. But like a Rose you have to do some serious pruning to get it to bud again. This year is a start.. not a completely new start.. and maybe a bit of a false start but it has the scent of 'reality' about it. I will still go along to the games i was going to.. I will go whether they are winning or losing. I will cheer.. i will commiserate and i will again hope for better times as I always do. Will I do this blindly or at least acknowledge the reality of our current position ? My concern isnt that we will now in all likelyhood lose far more than we win this year. My concern is that this will be wasted if we dont grown the new crop of Demons. We are all perfectly entitled to be critical of needless rubbish. Only a fool accepts their demise without question and yet there really isnt much we can do exept watch and watch and watch some more...all the whiles hoping for some signs of improvement Dont set the bar too high this year and it wont be too painful

Anyone who was there will never forget that day. There was utter gut wrenching disbelief as that siren sounded !! *sigh * As it happens I was directly behind the goals in line with where Eishold should have kicked.. it wasnt that bloody hard to tell the truth...well not on any other day.( I actually put my beer down as i ancticipated having to mark it !! lol)... But likely the moment didnt help...nor did a certain 'free' !! cest la vie !! Time will tell if Bails has the knack !! I wonder whether some of the current (team) would have had the ticker for that game. It certainly wasnt for the feint hearted !!

there is a very simple reason for that !!! and its not pretty !!!

touche...touche touche !!!

I suspect these 'retirements' may take the form of the less embarassing "long term injury" phenomenon !! People keep their egos intact.. team moves on.. rookies elevated.

The subject of pre game warmups has been floating around ..in and out over the years here. I actually thought it might have changed this year with different 'hired help' am surprised it hasnt ( not to this naked eye at least ).. As they say..""you start as you intend to proceed !!""

Im not suggesting it was particularly Bails who was doing the "honeymooning" !! lol I think there are a couple of players out there kidding themslves. Training is one thing.. playing under the pump is entirely different. I think he already has an idea of who are already starters on the 'dont come in 09 ' list !!

We've been cr@p at this for years now.. youre not the first to notice.. but its good that more do !!

Careful now.. think carefully....some might just be about to think of heresy!! ( I shallnt insist you speak it yet ) That some of the so called untouchables ...are indeed very touchable !! Some of us knew this a year or so back...but we were thrown to the fires for even considering such things. Now its just becomig glaringly obvious. Guess what!!!! theres probably more to come.....all in amongst a long year !!! I concede my bottom of the top eight seems laughingly optomistic now. But I really did expect a better effor to date.. Not so much the wins.. just cohesive effort. Are the wheels falling off already ??.................. got to have them on first Id suggest !!! lol The honeymoon is well over now ...and Bails is probably wondering what Bride Gozilla he's hooked up with as its certainly not the beast his minions promised. So lets go onto the real season and see what we can muster. I dont expect miracles... but there is one thing I would like to see.. I want to see garbage thrown on the scrap heap just as soon as it starts ponging !! I want to see no backward steps taken, no fools suffered. wee managed to go sideays and backwards for years.. Id settle for one little creeping ( falling even ) step forward. Now Go Dees...go make a fist of the game agianst the Poos & Wees !! I think a few kids might get more time off the pine than they were expecting !!

why...are they planning their holidays in the south already !! golly...they're showing a little more faith than you !! pmsl !!

yeah some bloke called Op. T-Mism got belted behind play...unlikely to come up for a few weeks !!!

dear oh dear.. its all a bit sad isnt it. We know ful lwell that the Likes of Neeta Oozey Buckets are on their last 'encores" .. we all know White , possibly Wheels and a hanful of others havent long for this jumper either.. not in the grand scheme of things. But looking at it a little dispasionately..we took on how many at the end of last year ? plus a couple still coming up from previous years. There's a hell of a lot of development to be done yet.. This mob arent going to win a premiership..but quite possibly half or 2/3 of them might be wearing the red and blue come that marvellous day. nah !! we are developing !! just too slowly for some...such is life. B)

Hey !! I hope none of the 'guests " watching today are Hawthorn spies !!!!