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well yes....and NO you will only ever reach the limit of your ability. Some players never reach it...some have !!

proof perfect that it is indeed hilarious here !! lol

it wasnt so much who "looked after ' the last games... as much as the instructions of "how to "

WCE can only claim 'some ' compensation. They arent going to get a Judd for Judd.. not even a "Judd's" worth.. Like a trade in...you never realise is REAL value, just what the market will bear !!

but anyhow...that was then and this is now. I suppose we sit back and see what goodies can be had !!!! mwahahahah !!!

it would have been perfectly legit i reckon to mothball a couple ( prepackaged for surgery etc..lol ) and as you say get a few more games into some of the newbies. Could have even legitmately trialled them in a 'different " possie or two; just to see how they go in 'real " time etc !!.. would have just been responsible nurturing of injuries and explorative selction !! it could have been !!!

you nominate for the draft... you payz ya money..you takes ya chances !! realiity is invariably some thing has been organised... But that doesnt guarantee it wil come of on the day!!

it simply wasnt platable to many to see the bigger picture...and work towards it...such is life !! lol

yes.. I think many are now really starting to understand what was a stake in that last game !!

to be honest...Id be loathe to cough up pick 1. i would have thought 3, 20.and someone was in all reality a doable thing. For sure West Coast can play hard ball, but why are they then surprised if carlton play harder. I seem to recall that WCE and carlton had been talking for a while before Judd selected scumland !! so what changed.. I have the feeling its actually WCe who may have renegged on a vrebal agreement to take 3, 20 and someone !! Of course its all conjecture, but why has it suddenly gone belly up...only can be because someone has changed position. carlton all along said #1 wasnt an option. So make of it all what you will. and cliche # whatever !%@ Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive !!!! lol Whilst I dont condone entirely what carlton is up to.. I almost begrudgingly admire their determination. One thing Carlton dont do , is they dont muck around. ( still hope they fall in a hole...lol )

careful SS...thats heresy !!! lol ( to most its common sense ) Obviously if noone else wants him then he's ours, but id certainly be fleshing out the market ( and for some others too )

any guesses as to who might be feeling a litttle less smug today ????? :D

like much in life you create an informed opinion. we base these on direct interactions ( some have attended functions ) some may actually have met him there is various info/background on him. he has reputations from various sources there is feedback form players ( as some here actually know players. / are players ?? ) and so the picture forms and it evolves that'll do for me

they'll everybody's pin up boys ; well nearly everyones !!! pmsl :D

its very interesting isnt it.. carlton need Richmond more than Richmond need carlton !! ahh the best laid plans of mice and men !! ( no prizes for guessing the mice !! lol )

what is it they say.... all's fair in love and war !!!! lol this is going to be entertaining !!

ah yes... the kharma faeries will be paying attention to all this !! Why is anyone particularly surprised by this sort of thing; I'm not. It is rather ingenious if distasteful. Welcome to footy 2007 I guess. though it could be used it seems to me as more of a leveredging move to force WCE to accept teh lesser of the deals on table from carlton... It's either "this" or nothing !! and to be honest it will probably work. I wonder how anybody would view this tactic if it was US playing very very hard ball. We might applaud such a brazen stance or at least probably adopt a different view ..lol Cant blame Richmond they're simply tasting the chance of something for nothing. I'l pull up a chair also. Lets see what transpires !! hehe

oh touche...been saving that one ?

Thing is.. sin city may not be interested in him in a years time . Ultimately everyone has to decide what tehy want to do. I conced the effect of mentoring 9 or whatever is the effective opposite ) can be telling. But Miller ..indedd all have had opportunities to develop their play, hone their skills and rise to their ability. No one else can really do it except for othe individual.. The Petterds, Rivers..Newtons etc...grabbed it and ran.. they grew in their game. brad has had as much chance under same condiotions as all the others.. and his achievement sheet is nothing exceptional ( nor is he alone QC ...) If he stays ...he stays....and we'll probably all have this conversation again in a years time

yep......sometimes speech sucks !!!!!!!!!! :D

"applies to all players" couldnt agree more !! why am I off the mark ? seriously ? why. because I cal a spade a spade. because as far as any players worth to the club goes its ( to me ) what they add to the equation. Its business. yes he pulls on a Melbourne guernsey .. and ?? thats his JOB !! he's paid for it.. he doesnt do it for charity , so I wont treat it as such. its a two way street. He does X, gets paid Y. when X fails to fulfill any purposeful role .. then what is his true value to the overall?? and again..yes I agree with you..this applies to anyone in the red and blue. Everyone is judged on their merits. Just how many years of "poor times " exactly do we put up with? whats the magic number at present its 5 !! is 6 the right amount ? is seven?? They ( players ) are out there to perform a role. to contribute. That and only that is their domain. Any and al other arguments are moot really as only quality to them is sentiment. Sentiment will not get you across the line alone. There is skill, ability, contribution etc etc. A player is either a plus to a team..or by defualt he is a minus, who ultimately ought pay the price for that. Initially the team will, but eventually the owneship of performance come fair and squarely upon the individual. Its not whether hes a nice bloke.. etc etc..what relevance is that. Its his worth to the team come play day !! At the moment I simply suggest that his worth to the team is greater in trade than it is on the field in red and blue..and as such the appropriate course ought to be trade.

must admit this has a nice ring of devillishness about it !!! translates into...lets screw the bastards !!! Me thinks its no so 'easy peasy' over at Geckoland !!

these the same people who said Verte-Mort was heading our way !!!

every one on that list has to have a reason to be there... its not charity . you say he's not worth a lot to trade.. thats akin to sayin ghe's next to valueless period.. As it happens Sydney ARE interested; so at present we could realise something of him.. Another mediocre year and he WILL be untrdable !! worth more to us ....than ???

I seem to recall many of us had a similar discussion re Miller some 2 years ago.. So much has changed for the better !!