drdrake

Zavier Maher sounds like the type of player we need, explosive and lowers his eyes and hits targets inside 50m.

Why, that is a risk you take when drafting top end talent from other states. You need to hope your program can keep them. There would be no question the WCE would be chasing him as a replacement for Nic Nat.

I don't think anyone was against picking Brown up, the main point off difference was his value and based on the points getting him for the approx pick 36 is right. We now hope he can deliver

Outside mids and small mid size forwards

This is a forum that people will have differing opinions on players, on trades, on the club if we all had the same opinion this site wouldn't exist as we would know what everyone is thinking. You also don't know what people's Football knowledge is, what level they have played or coached at, the connections they may have at the club or with in AFL circles. Just because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't make them less a supporter or you better than them. You think offering 2 picks for Brown is a good idea, others don't, we will wait and see what the deal is and then be judged by our opinion once we see what Brown puts on the park, not on what he has done but what he will actually do. I'm happy to be proven totally wrong and you are welcome to bump this thread late next year and I will cop my whack and will happy to do so because if I am we are playing finals with a dominant forward

Only time will tell, will the rose coloured glass wearers have the "I told you so" rights in 12 months or will it be the nah-sayers which I am one on this trade. May I was all for, bloody good player and more importantly is the general not afraid of telling his team mates how it is

He had 2 years on his contracted and North only signed him last year. Doesn't matter his age he was contracted, our bloke isn't and they don't want him. I will though do a better deal 26 and 43 for Brown and 30

So a contracted, required player is let free for pick 30, we are after a uncontracted player that was shown the door pick 43

IMO he is better deeper and gets lost high up the ground. You can see the way they played him this year he was our deepest forward, our other tall played in front of him, that is why Preuss and him up forward didn't work in 2020. Yep, I will dare to say that would be jumping over someone rather than body on body contested. Let's re-visit this in 12 months, I think he will be a flop, I'm hopeful that I'm wrong but the way he is leaving North has me extremely concerned.

The other side of this argument is the uncertainty that Brown will be able to get back to his best and our midfield can deliver the football to him. He isn't a contested big body Forward, he is a tall hit up forward that his performance will hinge on how we kick the ball to him. If we continue kicking the ball like we do having Brown will be a massive fail. Also I'm on the side of if he has the potential to return to anywhere near his best form why are North kicking him out of the club to bring in an 18 yo that most likely hasn't played in 2020 at pick 30 ish. I also don't think he and Weiderman can work in the same forward line, both need to play as our deepest forward neither are a CHF.

No he isn't and I will reckon that if we pulled out of the deal Brown would still be there for us in National draft at pick 31.

Yes there will be, I think he has some issues that North know about that we don't, these might not be injury based but something else. I just can't understand why they are so keen to get rid of the bloke, he wanted to stay. The reasons we want him should be the same reasons North want to keep him. Pick 43 should be enough but I understand that it won't, one of our pick 26/31/33 should be enough. I get the feeling we will give up one of our early picks and 43 or 50, I really hope we don't cough up two picks.

You would think so, we have only removed 3 players from our senior list and maybe KK as well. With list sizes likely to reduce by 2 and us adding Brown will are looking at really only using 3 maybe 4 picks tops, can't see us using any of the picks beyond our current 50 unless for a rookie upgrade. Would say one of 26/31/33 will be needed for Brown, leaving the other 2 for pick upgrade, hoping for Fremantle's 12, they have 2 players in NGA that will be mid first round pick, if they use 12 in the draft the bids won't be to far after this pick they will be facing a point deficit in 2021. Also no guarantee a club prior to pick 12 won't bid for one of their NGA players. The other option is going after Collingwoods future first round pick

If the club does that we will continue to be the laughing stock of the AFL. North Melbourne don't want him, he wanted to stay at North but they are kicking him out to the curb. Big question marks over his knee and his ability to return to his best form. Pick 43 should be our offer but most likely we will have to give up pick 31 or 33. Brown is a fire sale from North just like TMac will be for us, the only difference is Brown is out of contract and has a buyer, TMac has a contract and doesn't have a buyer at this stage.

He is better than what we have outside Pickett who would still be behind Lonie but has a massive upside

Don't the Dockers have a couple of highly rated kids in the NGA, wonder if they are willing to part with pick 12

Both have injury concerns and have been no where near their best for a while. Tmac had the ability to get up the ground more where Brown is purely a hit up leading Full Forward.

Any chance to make a play for Lonie from St Kilda, small creative forward that would complement Pickett

How about just pick 50, North don't want Ben Brown they made that clear to him. The guy is damaged goods, he is to North what Tmac is to Melbourne

I reckon with all the first round picks GWS may be getting, that we might just be looking to improve pick 26 into the teens for Preuss, might take a few later pick swaps as well but that would be a good outcome

North don't want him, they have clearly stated that, pick 33 is more than enough, I reckon 50 should be enough. We are just building mid range picks to better our draft position.

I don't think there is any fear of the coach in the players, we are all buddy buddy, there has to be a element of fear, if you don't follow team instructions there will be consequences. As mentioned though we don't have the depth to hold some players accountable

Only if they can be taught and we either haven't been teaching correctly or players not listening, we don't have the midfield depth to know which one is true, I would say a mixture of both. A team will always beat a team of individuals no matter how good those individuals are, our back 6 are I think we saw last year with May as the General back there started to really work for each other this season. Our mids and forwards don't show any signs that they have progressed in the team football approach.

This is why I'm open to trade Oliver or Brayshaw, I don't want to get to the end of 2021 and be having the same discussions about our midfield group and I think these 2 and Viney need a massive re-education on playing team football, I'm not sure they will be able to adjust.

We have good individual players in our midfield, but as a group they are poor. That is the challenge for the coaching staff getting our players and in particular the ones you mention playing team football rather than selfish football. I often compare out team to an U9 side they all go to where the ball is and all want to possession, they need to be coached to work for each other, there is only 1 football in play at 1 time means only 1 person can have it. We need to work harder off the ball to create space, make it easier to for our team mates to win the ball and get a clean possession rather than the under pressure 1m flick handballs. The forward line just doesn't apply more pressure to keep the ball inside our 50m arc and repeat entries, that is why I'm surprised we haven't been linked to any small pressure forwards