daisycutter

no no thommo, don't move the goalposts i very specifically told you to get over the repetition of the "smart arse" (so called) comments complaint of yours i never mentioned FOJS...............but nice try

actually in this case i think the players had only a very minor part in the choice of captain and i agree with this, especially in light of the non-performance of the leadership group in recent years quite apart from this i have always believed that the decision should largely be a coach/fd one

of course he has hardtack, but i'm getting sick of his endless repetition, hence my post. Thommo needs to grow a thicker skin

leucopogon you can't have it both ways watch the game and then comment on it or don't watch the game and don't comment on it

Jesus Thomo, get over it! You are making a mountain over a mole hill on one CS comment (that was probably warranted anyway) One can only come to the conclusion that you have an agenda with CS. If so at least confine yourself to real issues and avoid the pettifogging and exaggeration

come come xiss, "racism of the highest order"? What rock have you been hiding under? want me to elaborate on "racism of the highest order"? I don't think you would have the stomach for it you should be more considered before making inflammatory statements when you don't even have the facts or know if there is any truth in it

who cares who the four were. only magner could be pleased with his performance

have to agree about dumb football has been my biggest gripe for the last 10 years.....drives me crazy

no maybe not worst 16 but a disappointing show nevertheless

there was a fair amount of sarcasm in my comments I wasn't praising the reverend as much as saying that give me a team of 'soft front runners' who win a few games rather a team of 'soft non runners' I think too that nd cops a bit too much blame given the lack of support, money and atrocious training conditions he had to put up with (over) looking after his players was probably necessary to keep them together at the club in such rough times anyway he and northey were the most successful coaches at the club since norm smith and deserve at least better than some give

I like that biffo

things aren't too bad we are equal on points with Geelong, Collingwood, St.Kilda and Western Bulldogs wasn't that the top 4 recently? (please turn on your sarcasm meters)

DrG every supporter for every club wants a premiership cup, so what? we have been talking up premiership windows ad nauseum the last few seasons whilst we languish near the bottom I'm sick of premiership/flag discussions. I want to walk before we run. That means winning a few games and being accountable if we can do that then i might start dreaming again put away the rose tinted glasses, focus on the basics and cut out the crap flag talk or there won't be a MFC in a few years time

funny that....about our midfield coach wasn't he the backline coach last year who turned a good backline into a leaky boat? of all the asst coaches replaced i couldn't understand why choco was kept

yes, we have heard all that before but no details what were the actual issues between DB,FD and CS? why were the players involved or how did they even know of these issues? what about the secret report we have never heard about? did it play a role? and again how were players involved in this and why? I didn't want to know all these details when the great reorganisation occurred assuming it was no longer relevant but now it seems that something is still festering in the player group, else how could you explain their their apparent inability to cope. I could be barking up the wrong tree but i smell a rat

give me the reverend any day over this train-wreck with more backup staff and top training conditions now, how good would ND be we are a loooong way from even producing anything like nd was able to deliver that's reality

Now I would really like to know what was behind 186, because whatever it was it is still festering away There seems to be some unfinished business going on here

did one hitout goto a teammate's advantage? dropping the ball at your feet is ineffective and predictable very average performance

hard to fault that old dee i seem to have hit that same low point usually i find something to enthuse about which keeps me positive to a point but the prospect of being back where we were (or probably worse than) when bailey arrived has brought the bile back into my mouth paris (or anywhere) this winter is looking good

Trouble is who do we replace them with? Sounds like you are talking about bottoming out again and rebuilding again. You may be right but will the club survive another 4 years of being a bottom dweller?

There's something else going on here The stink emanating from our playing group just can't be put down to bad drafting or bad coaching Or can it? Something is drastically wrong. Players are going backwards, no leadership, no fighting spirit, no desire, no stars, no good skills, no brains. This group is totally demoralised. I have no idea why but it is becoming a recurring nightmare We now have a new coach, new and more assistant coaches, some of best training facilities in the comp and yet we go backwards I give up, I feel this sense of hopelessness now more than at any time in the last 5 seasons C'mon players give us something, just anything to feel positive about

as i suspected. you say drop bate regardless of how he played today in one Q i'm not one to defend bate but 10 possessions in one Q was (much) more than anyone else achieved

I say forget f...ing game plan and just play the rest of the year man-to-man

I'd prefer we start winning some games or at least turning up before we worry about icing on the cake

Pretty soft. not even worth a free Player was rotating when tackled, taken to ground fairly softly But knowing our luck with mrp..........