Turner

i hope we're all over this to be honest, although the concern is it's a bit mentally weak by him to request a trade. he was out of the side for the first half of the season due to a shoulder reco, then played some really good footy as he got his fitness back up at vfl level and was rewarded with a spot back in the side between rounds 13-18, he's got a good K/H ratio as a HB gets plenty of rebounds and has good speed. he would've been a lock for 22 games next year given their other HB injuries but has cracked the sads due to one injury riddled year. would be a handy replacement for hibbo out of the back half long term and should be a relatively cheap get at a pick in the third round probably. avg 22 a game last year 5 marks 5 R50s and has a pretty 50:50 contested/uncontested possession statline last year so he's not just a cheap racker-uperer. wonder what our interest was like in his draft year. he was a carins local so i wonder whats brought about the move other than he got grumpy he had to play a bitta twos which was fairly justified given his injury and their form at that stage. also averaged 366m gained this season and 80% DE and 78% KE as well as 3 clearances and 3 intercept possessions a game. im in... clearly

they should just get rid of the week off. it heavily favours the bottom half of the 8 who come into semi/prelim finals with heaps more footy under their belt compared to sides that win qualis from the top 4. if teams wanna ross lyon the last round with 11 changes they've earnt the right to, why should the afl tell them how to pick their sides, its hardly tanking given they've not going to stop trying for a flag the next week

assume today was mad monday for most, probably exit interviews tomorrow/wednesday

+ frmpton to the pies too should take A 3-4 year deal back home at WCE and lead their next gen midfield

so many storylines, its going to be a cracking game. genuinely torn on who to go for. who bows out postgame and does it depend on the outcome? its going to be such a great week.

bowes will be a required player with powell/budarick/weller all doing knees. and markov still unsigned and atkins out of favour. they rate him highly

bit small to play full forward isnt he?

justified imo, in a must win final theres not many players in the league youd rather in ur side. especially if he was retiring. he woulda died on the field if youd asked him too youd think. imagine how much it woulda killed him seeing them roll over like that

so it seems logue out to north, hence the hold up on jwalker. keath is out of favour at the dogs, got dropped late in the season for cordy and now with darcy potentially moving back there to leave bruce/naughton/jamarra and potentially something to happen with lobb and with jones coming in he at the age of 32 having been monstered by a few bigs this year is potentially on the outer and battling for a new gig. gardiner already tied down for next season too

makes it kinda baffling that they are so into dunkley as well. even with robinson and zorko at the end of their careers they still have alot of midfielders including many 3/4yrs who've barely had any exposure they're well into grif logue for this reason and he's better than tommo. ur not getting a second rounder for tommo unless its something like our second rounder for theirs and its a slide up rather than a flat pick. even lewis melican or alex keath or recently delisted hartigan probably has more trade likeliness than tommo.

you mean stephen silvagni defending liam stocker to the wall isnt breaking news! im disappointed in you WJ

i dont have any more trust in him than the next DLer i'm just being realistic about what the likely outcome is for tommo and the rest of his professional career

i bet he's one of the first people to sign a new deal over pre-season, theyll lengthen him out by an extra year or two, giving him security into his 30s which as a footballer on the fringes he will jump at and in exchange he will flatten out his deal salary wise. its win-win. its not in his best interest to request a trade if his best interest is to win a flag, he's at the right side and he's been unlucky but luck could change. maybe we retry him as a winger over preseason you just never know

people forget BBB used to run 15kms a game at north he was a real workhorse in his prime and burnt his oppo going back to goal and then spinning them and coming back up at the leg. thoughts therefore on sexton? smaller but a lot craftier and generally doesnt miss a snap from within 30-35.

can everyone stop mentioning tomlinson as potentially an outward trade please, like its just not realistic and not going to happen, also we would likely not grant it either, when one may/petty injury away from tomlinson playing 15-20 games in a season again. hes a required player

do they pick a new date or is it the same date?

no, thatd be the risk we'd have totake but we would obviously discuss with his agent where other interest was coming from and how strong it was before making any decisions

players have been "retired" off far better seasons than he's had tbf, just ask lachie henderson last year at the cats, played 22 games at FB of a prelim side FEB could be grabbed as a cat b rookie. if rosman and chandler do in fact trade places, then we'd only have to delist/trade one senior player and one rookie to have our allotted 3 picks. as our list is currently set up as 36 senior players and 6 A rookies. by losing jackson and mbrown and daw we would then be able to have 4 A rookies and go up to 38 senior players. meaning we have 3 picks.

congrats marty (should definitely be playing afl level still), kye, mitch and dunny

you also can't have played an afl final and then return to the lower level, not sure how that applies to being an unused medisub in smiths case

according to kane "port adelaide" cornes, im not buying what a ridiculous thought, clearly he just never really got over that knee issue properly, calling someone done after one injury at the age of 25... ludicrous!

i think having skimmed through everyones posts to try and pick the relevant stuff out of the frustration theres a pretty key theme featuring and its about our offensive or forward work. and i completely agree. whenever we tried to change lanes nd lower our eyes to hit targets there were none there. our forwards simply just were not hitting up at the leg whatsoever. clearly a marking tall is a necessity brown can hardly get off the ground and everytime we kicked it to him i was just imagining it was lynch or mckay there who just squeeze the thing so hard that it is impossible that anyone could possibly punch it away. and i want us to play more offensive small forwards, the combination of ANB, spargo, and a resting mid usually sparrow sometimes viney or harmes is too much dead forwards, we dont have an issue with getting it down there our mids do that part well week in week out but we dont have enough players who can change the game and have that real zip and spark around goal. compare them to the hawks dynasty side with breust gunston poppy and cyril all big goal kickers. even the lions side today with mccarthy rayner bailey and charlie all huge goal kickers. or the way the tiges operated for 5 years. we just dont get the same goal nous and scoreboard pressure from our guys. bedford shouldve been given more chances as when he got ball in hand he looked likely inside 50 and couldve made more impact. my other issue is with goody's favouratism of players. sparrow was serviceable post bye, didnt really have a super down day where u go geez only the 5-6 touches where was he but also didnt go 20+ and really dominate a game, was there anything more at all dunstan couldve done at vfl level to take his spot, but it was never really in danger was it, so there was no real hunger to stay in the side, compare that to the lions who dropped robinson, mathieson and prior today after a massive win last week in a final. similar story when laurie was really pressing mid year and ANB and spargs were down or with JVR towards the backend of the year. i was finally happy when i saw at least he had a plan and the players were aware of it and familiar with it with 3 minutes to go of the last quarter. petty swung forward, may drifted closer to goal too and the wingmen took up super offensive positioning and the HBs surged through the centre square to try and get the ball going forward

sinclair has retired, naismith hasnt played a game in two years and is likely done at the eos as well, theres no way 34yo hickey moves again and ladhams only just got there. theres no way they let second yearer stretch mcandrew go and you'd think reid sees out his time there. so again its back to mclean or amartey and then it comes down to what does franklin do because if he goes at least one of them becomes required again whilst they certainly improve their side, look at tim kelly's move to WCE as a warning to both these blokes, dont join a side after a flag because even though they improve their mids their overall side is getting weaker by the season. wouldnt surprise me at all if they slide out of the 8 next year and then the year after that they woulda lost grimes, cotch, riewodt and its beginning to look quite dire imo wouldnt say hes been injury prone he had a broken jaw and nose which is just unlucky and shows hes prepared to body line it and a shoulder reco from a similar collision.

absolutely we should, he can play at afl level to some extent and given he would essentially join as a delisted FA potentially even as a rookie after the SSP period he would be a worthwhile consideration for the mbrown role at 7 years his age with the potential to play senior football in place of weid at any stage over that length of time and should weid also decide to make a similar move. francis no, he's not a tall and he's not a small and he's not super athletic like a joel smith or gary rohan, hes just a big lump who has never really found his groove, also has some off-field things which might not bode well to a squad role at another melbourne based side as he's already shown this to disgruntle him at essendon. ham probably not worth targetting, we could get a player with exactly the same output at the draft from what i've seen but again like schache, if he's still there post draft dont see why we couldnt invite him to train for the summer. being a good runner doesnt make you a good footballer tho setterfield probably does get another 1yr deal next year potentially it could be a demotion to the rookie list tho. could see him working as part of a hawks midfield turnover his inside numbers at vfl level were through the roof but at afl level he gets pushed out to the wing due to depth. but at HH he would replace omeara/titch/worpel who r all out of favour in mitchells eyes and hes a better footballer than connor nash

we'll to some extent i agree, if it was up to me i probably woulda persevered with any of hore, declase or lockhart last year over baker but clearly we felt our defensive depth was stronger than our wing depth at the time. and mbrown deserved this year on our list and has done no harm by being on it. and if you read my comment properly i said offering voice and leadership at casey and breaking that potential divide between the regular afl side and a group of up to 10 players on our list now aged 21 and under who hadn't tasted any senior football at all going into the year aside from 7 games of boweys.