Bay Riffin

so true I remember us getting Scully Trengove, Grimes, Taspcott all who impressed at AFL level early. Mates loved Grimes, great interceptor and leader of the backline. he was excellent Tapscott was close to BOG first game in a hard fought round 1 against Sydney. I would never have thought none would go on to have really good careers. Gysberts another who racked up big numbers very early on at AFL level then lost all confidence later.

such a great player and extremely professional.

interesting. He had Jackson and Pickett wrong (especially pickett rated at 30) but overall what eventauted was the cream is at the top. Its pretty decent.

Agreed. I think people are underestimating him because he isn't as flashy as some players. He had his first year at AFL level last year averaging 14 disposals. This year he averaged 20 and polled well in the B and F. He may not have the highest ceiling but thats extremely good improvement. He and Sparrow are developing nicely.

Glad he isn't Mitch. I thank god Mitch Hannan was playing for the doggies in the grand final. With the doggies 19 points up and stifling all our moves late in the third quarter, Hannnan got a dubious free 55m out. with the elastic band about to break Macrae runs past (chased by a hapless Gawny) to take the handpass and what would be a sure shot on goal or hitting someone up. I thought we are in serious trouble here. The handpass is terrible, lands at his feet and ends up in a stoppage. We were about to go 25 points down with even less time to go. What might have been.

Im trying to understand how this can be ? I cant think of an industry that puts in more support for the aboriginal people. Where every club seems to have a number of first nation players playing. With dedicated people to help with the transition. Was it St Kilda who didnt have the appropriate support for him ? they seem to have had a number of successful aboriginal players over the journey.

Definitely improved his stats this year, becoming more involved averaging 16 possies per game, a lot from the half forward line. You'd think Goodwin now will be in his ear to now take a starting position in the midfield and challenge the big names. He's a nice kick and a beast. He has the attributes to go the next level.

we need this blokes kicking skills in the side. Had a small lapse then fired up again and couldnt get back in. it beffudled me as to why when those in the firsts were not performing that well (e.g salem)

Now we are a month on since we finished, I think we lacked outside run and the ability to cover ground once the game opened up. Looking at the year as whole, we had either a commanding position or were leading at half time in almost every game. Once things opened up you could see we started to lose our strength, that being our contested work. We don't have the finishing skills of Geelong or the Pies and were found wanting. and our conversion was poor up forward. I really think we should have gone hard at Amon and Gunston for example to address these needs. We've lost pace in Hunt and Bedford and gained a strength (assuming Grundy arrives) in an area we may not be able to maximise fully. In the end I also felt we limped into the final with reports of 11 players playing injured in the last Brisbane game. We are still top 4 material but when fully fit, I still feel we lack the ability to run out games. Lets hope the youngsters learning their craft at Casey can improve this for us next year.

offer then the Freo Second F2 we just got. Could be pick 19 !!! well under pick 25

thats not correct.

what a disappointing rubbish deal that is for us.. Not even a top 10 pick. For al lthe talk of a generational player, rising star etc and we are doing this deal early without making them sweat. I don't get it we had Cerra wanting to come to us but we didn't have a high pick. Now Freo have no top 10 and don't have to come up with anything. two late first rounders. What a joke.

That deal is not good enough. We need access to elite talent and dont want more picks that are diluted. I say we cannot accept anything where the best pick is 13 (which will as always be about pick 15,16 in reality). Freo and Dees knew they had no high picks weeks ago so how was this not sorted out? what a charade. Freo are taking trhe absolute [censored]. Force their hand dees and dont accept 3 lower picks. we ned players with X factor and 2019 we rolled the dice on Jackson and Pickett and won a premiership 2 years later. We need access again to those type of players.

Geez he reminds me of Lucas Cook.

Demons had 11 players carrying significant injuries into that last final. Geelong we well reasted and looked super fit.

yeah maybe. and I watched him in the VFL finals and he was fumbly and a mixed bag of good and bad. he's stil got some development to do. i don't know why people were thinking he was suddenly go to turn it all on the firsts. i n finals !!

Yeah not sure about that. They traded Kelly for two first rounders, and pick 24 and pick 37. They screwed every last drop for that deal. many other deals have been free agency and deals in their favour. I don't agree with the win / win philosophy. more of a 'we win' strategy.

Why are people so enamoured with dekoning ? He was fully fit and playing seconds with Carlton crying out for a ruck. Silvagni was chosen second ruck ahead of him. He’s now 23, sure he may improve but on his body of work over his first five years you could say he won’t be a star but MIGHT eek out a decent career. If he improves a fair bit. And that’s a big ‘might’.

Sturt is 22 and played 5 games. How much interest can we have ?

yeah nah - future picks arent great when we are red hot in the window now. I can't see how Freo do this. and I reckon Lobb will be a matching second rounder. He's older and it will be a middle of the road contract by the Doggies.

did you watch the saints v swans game ?

I’m pleased to see we have young wingers coming through as there aren’t too many ready made in the AFL, and a young key forward so lots of promise, JVR AND Rossman caught my eye with AFL qualities especially.

Absolute rubbish he’s been a v good kick over the years.

Makes sense to me. I havent seen any scenario where Freo get it done. Cerra wanted to come to the Dees but we had no picks to give them, Carlton did. If Jackson is desperate to go home I predict it will be to the Weagles. and that deal surely has to include pick 2.

and thank god. His first quarter saved about 3 potential goals in the grand final. He was terrifc.