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When? Which match? a lot depend on what one makes of Tomlinson. Lever does not play as a key defender. Never has, he didn’t at Adelaide where Talia and Brown were the key defenders. Lever can, nevertheless be useful if given little responsibility on a gun player . Can Tomlinson play as a key defender? Or Smith? Perhaps Petty will be the man. I haven’t minded Oscar playing a purely defensive role on a tall forward

Truly, that is rubbish! We started off with Lever and Tom McD playing back in 2028 .Lever useless early on, then a bad injury as he was starting to improve. Frost only got a game after Lever’s injury, plus the decision to play Tom forward— a pretty good decision as it transpired. Mid season onwards ( after we were smashed by Pies on Queens Birthday) Oscar and Frost were the key backs. Have a look at our results thereafter. Look at the two MCG finals, then tell me that Oscar can’t play. ive never seen such a set against a player, because he LOOKS, awkward, non athletic . How many times has he been beaten badly by a one on one opponent? . I ask friends why they seem to detest him and its always “ look at him— he doesn’t look like a player” And it’s the treatment in sites such as this which has [censored] off Tom, so we are likely to lose two utterly decent guys in circumstances which won’t reflect well on the club.

Well that’s the point!!!! If all we are to get for Oscar is, eg, number 70 in the draft, are we not better to retain him? Perhaps as Rookie? How many very late draft picks turn out to be as useful as Oscar? If u disagree, have a look at the first two finals in 2018

I don’t think Langdon can be classified as a moderate B grade midfielder. And our recruiting this year has been OUTSTANDING . When else have we recruited three 18yos who will be gun 200 game players ? And Langdon is already a star

Yeah that’s right mate, Mahoney is a dud. Really!!!! In one year we recruit Jackson, Kosi, Rivers, Langdon and Tomlinson. Not wrapped in the latter but I regard it as the best recruiting year for a very long time . The three kids will all play 200 games , hopefully for us

Are u serious. Trade OMac for pick 88? Hardly anyone rated 70 or above gets to play a single game

Just watch the first two finals of 2018, then you would know a lot more

Really. In these boring times do yourself a favour and watch our two winning finals from 2018 and then tell us if Oscar, let alone Tom, should be traded . oscar does not LOOK the part. When he first started playing I had friends who jeered him unmercifully and often unfairly . In fact he’s a more than useful player . Good height against tall key forwards . Lovely kick. Only 24. Are you certain we will get someone more useful ? I find it interesting comparing him with Lever who DOES look the part but who makes howlers every game, three in a row costing immediate goals against, from memory, Gold Coast. Who often panics and handballs to nobody. Yet because he looks ok and, let it be said, defends pretty well when he has no opponent, no-one calls for his sacking like they do for Oscar . He’s been most unfairly treated on this site and elsewhere

Exactly!!! Take Josh Wagner. In my opinion excellent recruiting. He was overlooked in two drafts . We picked him as a mature age rookie. How many mature age rookies play as many games as he did. And he played some very good games. He was never in our best 22, nowhere near it , but he was a bloody good backup on the HBF. Our latest recruiting has made him superfluous ,he would understand that . Anyone can select excellent kids from the first two rounds of the draft. It’s the ability to get value from the lesser known selections which demonstrates good team management

DD, being bored last night I watched the second half of both of our winning finals in 2018. I suggest you do likewise. If u do I think u may agree there is no way we should delist OMac and neither should we trade TomMac . Give them both specific targets over the summer then see what they can do in 2021

Some of his defensive efforts are still poor. In the first quarter he allowed Ridley to mark out on the boundary line with a very half hearted attempt to spoil by the Weid

Judging by what the players, and Goodwin himself have said, that was precisely the instruction. The teams were exhausted yesterday, again Goodwin mentioned that our blokes were b——ed in the last quarter. Percentage wasn’t an issue

Does it?Is there anything Goodwin could say at the presser that would satisfy u? it was a TERRIFIC interview .He mentioned undoubted strengths in the backs. Mentioned that we are still young up forward and need more - was entitled to mention that we’d jumped firm 17 to 9. Steely reserve to go ok v WC , if we get there which is hardly surprising as we’ve beaten them twice in our last 4 encounters. Talked glowingly about Tracc while mentioning the players around him. by comparison with a Malthouse, Clarkson or Longmire thiswas excellent stuff

Well Doc, he is being criticised for our recruiting of Tomlinson. I agree, it is irrational . But if he was wrong about To linson , and it’s only a partial disappointment, Then he must get credit fot the other 4

And his recruiting of Langdon, Jackson, Kosi, Rivers. No credit for that?

Ok. So Plapp and Richardson know nothing?

U do realise this is only the 4th last quarter we have lost out of 17?

Pre season I heard one of those discussions with Plapp and Richardson in which they mentioned Smith’s “ freakish skills”. Then, in R1 v WC he went for a couple of speckies and allowed easy goals . I think the “ freakishness” has been drummed out of him for this year. But I would persist.He is a lovely build and I think he is learning defence. He had some good moments v Cameron last week. He’s actually played v little footy

Exactly!

That’s right Buzzy, have a shot at Goodwin. If we don’t make finals we nevertheless win 9/8. Means Goody has a favourable win / loss ration three years out of 4. What were the coaching records of Hardwick, Bomber Thompson and even Clarkson after 4 years. tell me Buzzy and all you Goodwin knockers— what precisely is wrong with his Coaching ? He did make one awful blunder in team selection for the Freo match but otherwise I’ve seen little wrong And Buzzy you are not happy about Tomlinson.. I’m not excited either.But I’m VERY excited about Langdon, Jackson, Kosi and Rivers. If u want to blame Goodwin for Tomlinson how do you rate his other three selections . And I rate the fact that the players rate him

Give it away. He has been simply awful

But the bottom 6 vary from match to match.Hannan is down in form but at his best is a good player. Spargo was great v Cwood. Kosi is in a flat spot . Every team, in every match has 6 out of 22 who do not rate well. The key is that your bottom 6 should not be hopeless . By and large this year our bottom group has paid its way. I think we have considerable depth. Look at Wagner and Brown. Serviceable at least

Watch the Steven May interview mate,

Just get over your preconceptions mate. He played well

There are different levels of concussion.Did he suffer several? If he’s contemplating retirement I can’t see the point of training . I very much hope he is not too bad and might be able to give it a go.depending, of course, on medical advice