KingDingAling

It’s a raffle if you don’t take into account the mental aspect of a recruit. If you ignore that, and just go by needs, position, and even performance, you are throwing darts at the board with your eyes closed. The most important attribute of what makes an AFL player great, or even good, is not determined by the position he plays.

Some of these bottom sides need a lot of luck. We had a lot of luck. Petracca slipping to 2. Rivers sliding. Made luck chasing Oliver. Plenty of planned draft halls, but needed a lot of luck along the way.

Hopefully we land a player at 17. We have the best young talent in the comp. It would be great to expand on that, and land that superstar at this pick. In a Covid year, I reckon it’s a great pick to have, in addition to our later picks. Club is so well positioned after 7-8 years of planning. Many of the lower rung sides are rightfully excited about having good early picks. But it’s one thing to have them, and another thing to get them right. Hopefully they don’t get them right, and we capitalize at 17.

Depth wins flags. Do Carlton have depth? I don’t think they do. Also, are Martin, Saad and Williams producing any better than depth players? I’d argue 2 of the 3 aren’t, and they are getting super star dollars. If by miracle their depth does start firing, which it needs to, those players will demand to be paid. Right at a time where Walsh will be demanding a million plus. I think Carlton are finished before they started.

What they have now is their finished product. I’d have went about it differently. But history will be the judge. Personally I think Carlton have overpaid b-grade level players who were at their top prior to trading for them (Saad and Williams). Cerra isn’t a dominant impactful player, he is more of a “nice” player. Hewitt is a good pick up, but he is what he was at Sydney - midfield depth. I just feel they’ve overpaid complementary players, and paid them like they are bonafied stars.

I agree. Will be a good acquisition for the right side. He’d be handy for our depth aswell.

Carlton are a basket case

We would have to move someone out. Only player I could possibly think of, that could get us maybe a late first or early second round pick is Harmes. Most likely a second round. We’d still need to move on a player aside from him, worthy of a top 15 pick. We simply don’t have any that I’d shift on for that, because then you’re talking Rivers, Fritsch, Bowey, potentially Jordan, and it all becomes too much for Cerra. The upside of getting Cerra would be to inject a player of his age and Ilk into our line up as a good immediate and long term move. But it’s only good in the long term if we aren’t giving up any of our future to get him. We really are out this trade. We cannot possibly get it done. I suspect Cerra probably wants to come to the Dees, but has concerns on nominating, then being let down.

Same. Oliver the best I’ve seen too.

Agree. We have played like the Geelong game ever since. If we go back and watch our last game, and this game, it’s a continuation. Not just the trend of winning, but absolutely pulverizing the opposition. That Geelong game given us the confidence that we needed. We pretty much blew the finals apart.

They didn’t know what to do. We taken the AA ruck man out of the center bounce and the guy we put in there played like a ruck rover. How can you prepare for that? When the dogs were stunned and didn’t know why - it was too late. Jackson snuck up on them. He was roving his own ball, and as a side that planned their midfield around Gawns dominance, the bullies simply didn’t adapt in time. Jackson essentially turned the game of football on its head.

The Bulldogs clearly done their homework on Max Gawn. Jackson brought something else, and it was exactly what we needed. How do you plan for a ruckman who has a crack and gathers the ball like a quality ruck rover. His hands are like Oliver’s, yet he’s our ruck. God knows how well afford the kid when the time comes. But he’s already played a huge part in us winning a flag.

And similar to Brayshaw he had to change his game earlier in his career. Viney set the tone as someone who could adapt when he tempered his aggression under Roos. Brayshaw shown he could adapt changing his game in light of concussion issues. The evolution for both is one of sacrifice. Both players ultimately went that one step further and sacrificed their whole game for the betterment of the team. Just amazing teaching really, whoever got these guys to buy into this philosophy, and implement it, pretty special.

Viney will improve as well. Now the pressure is off he is one we have that could be more settled now. Did a lot of 1% plays tonight. Be hard to find more sacrificial players than Viney and Brayshaw.

Sparrow probably push him out anyways. Not sure we need Cerra. We will need a lot of money aside to satisfy Jackson. Now we’ve won a flag we would probably drop our offer by 100k for Cerra. Sparrow may overtake him anyway, then what do we do. Sparrow was really good tonight.

Weideman is going to be a very good player for us. This is a steal. Kid can play. He’s needed to develop both mentally and physically. Surprised opposition sides weren’t all in on him.

Agree. We don’t need to pay anymore than 600k. That should be our price. A good presentation, great money on offer, a chance to join a dynasty. Ball is in your court kinda approach. Be a part of something special and get paid well, but slightly under what you’d get at Carlton, where you currently have no coach, a shaky board, and a lot of work to do before you ever play finals.

I’d rather play the Bullies. Gawn will smash English in the ruck, and we have better midfield connection at present - than when we played them. Also, Allir Alir smashed us down back for Port last time - won’t miss that. I was hoping the Bullies won tonight. We will beat them. They are going to have to rely on their midfield kicking goals. And it’s unlikely they will continue to do that.

Petracca is starting to realize if he takes the game on no one can stop him. It takes 2-3 players. Lucky we have Oliver and Petracca, and they appear to be improving players. Both are trending upwards as they realize their immense talent.

I think Viney will only get better. He’s been injured a lot. If he could remain on the park more he’ll start hitting more targets and lowering his eyes. If he does that he is going to be a better player. He shown early in his career that he can adapt and change his game. A facet of his game that he needs to develop is to steady himself at times and lowers his eyes. He’ll get there. Good game tonight. He is capable of that.

Judging by that interview, and others I’ve listened to since retirement, Watts appears to be a little bit lost at present. He is realizing that he needs to mature and grow. Clearly he’s thought about life after football, and doesn’t know what his future looks like. No disgrace in that either. I think he’d make a good PE teacher, or in future a sports agent. He is very humble. You can tell he’s a bit down himself. There is no need to be. You were a hell of a talent, the coaching staff just didn’t utilize you correctly.

He should have a long career in media. Speaks extremely well. Cannot remember a player speaking so well.

Fritsch and Brown have a good understanding at present, especially when Brown is an idle target taking up defenders and Fritsch comes over the top with a clean run at it (while opposition defenders are stagnant defending Brown). Working well that. Not even sure if it’s a set play but it’s happening a lot and Fritsch is the beneficially. I suspect none of it would happen without Tmac being a mobile target and spreading the forward line out, and taking that extra defender out. He is the perfect bloke (when fit) to play the mobile forward role. Weideman more plays deep so I can’t see him coming in anytime soon. It would mess things up.

That Geelong win last week is the best thing that could’ve happened to us. Just given us that extra added belief in everything we do. We’ll be hard to knock off now. We have our tail up, playing with confidence, buying in completely, healthy list, fresh list, and a hungry group of absolute quality.

Cerra is an excellent user of the football. He improves a big weakness for us, as that third mid who can execute. Jordon may eventually be it, I doubt a late first in 2022 fits our timeline. We need that midfielder next year. Offloading Gus would be good as he is a turnover merchant. If we can move him on for something that opposite - someone who improves our efficiency, it would be a massive get.