Thought this might be of interest. From the mfc web site, it shows stats for the 1st 4 games. Bear in mind that number of games played is not listed, and only the "first" 25 players are listed.

The stats I have focussed on are T tackles, CP contested possessions, Clg clangers, CM contested marks, CL centre clearances, 1% 1 percenters, GA goal assists

Might or might not add teeth to hard vs soft etc.

Interestingly, Neita easily has most contested marks.

Clangers look high, but don't know how they compare with other teams.

Brock McLean is in the top 10 in the league for contested possessions... he has clearly broken many team rules there

Amazing how many people have got stuck into McLean and Bell.

McLean is first in contested possessions, second in tackles and second in clearances (despite getting a hard-tag each and every week).

Bell is second in 1%'s and equal fourth in tackles.

When you are going as badly as we are, it's the players who do the hard things and the team things that get you through from week to week.

Not enough tackles from Jonesy.

Wheatley and Carroll plenty of 1%s

Also surprised at Bruce's lack of clangers considering he can't kick.

  Ausyid said:

Wheatley and Carroll plenty of 1%s

Also surprised at Bruce's lack of clangers considering he can't kick.

15 1%rs to Rivers in two games.

We have missed him. Just imagine him in a good club.

  Ausyid said:

Wheatley and Carroll plenty of 1%s

Also surprised at Bruce's lack of clangers considering he can't kick.

gee Bartram 12 clangers out of only 33 touches. That aint a great percentage!

  Ausyid said:

Wheatley and Carroll plenty of 1%s

Also surprised at Bruce's lack of clangers considering he can't kick.

CONSIDERING THE BLOKES GETS CHAP WORTHLESS POSSIES ON THE BOUNDRY LINE WITH NO PRESSURE AND KICKS IT 30 METRES WE COULD HIT THE TARGET............

the other bloke said it right when he stated "Bruce has never laid a hip and shoulder in 8 years of footy" Hes a Panzy!!!

  Nicho said:

CONSIDERING THE BLOKES GETS CHAP WORTHLESS POSSIES ON THE BOUNDRY LINE WITH NO PRESSURE AND KICKS IT 30 METRES WE COULD HIT THE TARGET............

the other bloke said it right when he stated "Bruce has never laid a hip and shoulder in 8 years of footy" Hes a Panzy!!!

INTERESTING ENOUGH HE IS ALSO ABOVE AVERAGE IN EVERY STAT EXCEPT FREE KICKS AGAINST AND CLANGERS

Must say that young Cale's numbers are very impressive for his first season!

5th in Contested posessions!!!

Fantastic start to what will hopefully be a fantastic career in the Red 'n Blue!

  kieranbj said:

gee Bartram 12 clangers out of only 33 touches. That aint a great percentage!

Yep, Bartram has really struggled to date. He's still just a kid though, and he's just had a year out of the game, and has heaps of time to get his disposal up to scratch.

What people often forget is that our core midfield group are a bunch of kids. I doubt there's another side in the league whose #1 and #2 midfielders are 21 and 19.

I actually think that while stats generally don't give a good reflection, that list is a pretty good indication of who our best players have been. With the exception of Robbo, the top 10 in that list would all be in my top 10 players so far.

Hmm.... so let's see.

Cameron Bruce, despite not playing every game, is at the higher end for

- Posessions, tackles, clearances and 1%ers.

And at the low end for

-clanger kicks.

Brad Green third in tackles, behind only Junior and Mclean, for what it's worth.

I'm thinking maybe some people need to review their vendetta list.

And also, 'how about that Cale Morton, ay!'

I too can't understand some veiws regarding Bruce - he has been definetely one of our better players thus far.

I am concerned about Bartrams confidence level - too much fumbling and poor disposal. As a youngster with plenty of senior exposure in the past I would consider some time with Sandy to regain confidence. Give some more game time too other youngsters without the senior games under their belt to see how they go. The contribution to the team may be similar (Bartram is stuggling), but the longer term benefits might be better for the club.

We have had such an awful season that 'above average' isn't saying a whole lot.

With that said, you could find issues with every player and you could praise an aspect too...

I must say though; McLean gets over 40% of his possessions in contested situations...very encouraging. And Jones is 35%.

To put it in context - Macca is currently at 31%, Bruce 27%, Green 18%.

With those figures it isn't difficult to see why I am not despondent about the future (of our midfield at least).

The contested marks column is really really sad.

Rivs, 15 1% in two games. Ultimate team man.

Defenders will always get more 1%s than a midfielder though because of spoiling. Especially our midfield where none shepherd

On contested possessions - Be wary of judging too much out of them. From memory the definition is a bit odd. Pretty sure things like taking a mark with a guy a metre behind you is a contested possession in the stats.

  Distance Demon said:

Hmm.... so let's see.

Cameron Bruce, despite not playing every game, is at the higher end for

Bruce has played all 4 games.

  KrazyJay said:

Must say that young Cale's numbers are very impressive for his first season!

5th in Contested posessions!!!

excellent point KJ.

But 'embarrassing.' is the word I would use.

Bodes well for the future.

What concerns me the most is the ratio between kicks and handballs.

Eg. Brock McLean has the most kicks for the side with 48 and has a total of 97 disposals. That means 49 handballs. I think the way forward for this team is to average around a 70/30 ratio between kicks and handballs.

Currently, the team is at 53/47 ratio.

Simon Buckley needs to kick more ... he has 10 kicks and 23 handballs.

  kieranbj said:

gee Bartram 12 clangers out of only 33 touches. That aint a great percentage!

I reckon they were all in the one game too!

  dees_rule_4eva said:

What concerns me the most is the ratio between kicks and handballs.

Eg. Brock McLean has the most kicks for the side with 48 and has a total of 97 disposals. That means 49 handballs. I think the way forward for this team is to average around a 70/30 ratio between kicks and handballs.

Currently, the team is at 53/47 ratio.

Simon Buckley needs to kick more ... he has 10 kicks and 23 handballs.

Can't find it now, but someone wrote a piece about the handball:kick ratio. Apparently, Geelong are approaching 1:1, and Melbourne (from about 1:1.8 in 2006) got down to around 1:1.2 in 2007. The thinking is: the best (Gee, Haw, Dogs ) teams are at about 1:1.1 to 1:1.2. So that's the go.

Interestingly, NM had a ratio closer to 1:2 - they made the finals last year, and got absolutely flogged IN the finals. I think their ratio is still closer to 1:2.

About 2 years ago everyone said 2 kicks per handball was the go, now I'd say closer to about 1.5

If the focus is on quick ball-movement, than a great handball to kick ratio is likely, especially if your running midfielders/ rebounding defenders lack pace.

The only stat that matters is the final score compared to the opposing team

Stats help , sure but only after the game has concluded in which we face different opposition

I believe Neale Daniher was BIG on stats which is fine and dandy but in the end useless on game day

Kick 4 goals a quarter and you usually win the game is enough stats for me

Swampfox

  kieranbj said:

gee Bartram 12 clangers out of only 33 touches. That aint a great percentage!

Bear in mind, the clangers stat also includes Frees Kicks Against, of which Bartram has 7 (equal 1st at the club).

Having said that, i do think his disposal has really let him down since his return from injury.