Yeah i dont believe this, well im hoping not anyway.

I would rather keep him than get pick 42. He's shown plenty of potential, it's just the consistency. Same old story.

Agreed.

We've already invested 4 years in him and '08 would probably be his make or break year to see if he can make it.

Has shown enough, needs to be given 5-6 AFL games in a row to get comfortable and show us he can make it.

Considering he is meant to be heading off to China next Monday, and participate in a personal development program with a group of other young players, I find it hard to believe he is now being traded from the club

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/com...5E19769,00.html

And an article on the MFC website today saying he was looking forward to 2008 and for better opportunites under Dean Bailey.

Might be a beat up this story!

l wouldn't be surprised if its Paul Johnson going to Saints

Sounds like crap. If Healy reckons we are giving up CJ, a player who Bailey obviously rates (we're taking him to China next week) for pick 42, he has his nose in the West Coast 'medical room'.

If CJ is going to the Saints then why on earth is the club publishing this stuff?

"I’m hoping to get a few more opportunities under the new coach. I want to have a big pre-season and go from there."

And you gotta love the conclusion -

“Last year our pre-season was more to do with run and carry. We focussed on that so much that we didn’t really get in to play the game and win the ball,” he said.

“Because of that we couldn’t get the ball inside 50 and our scoring opportunities were limited.”

If CJ is going to the Saints then why on earth is the club publishing this stuff?

"I’m hoping to get a few more opportunities under the new coach. I want to have a big pre-season and go from there."

And you gotta love the conclusion -

“Last year our pre-season was more to do with run and carry. We focussed on that so much that we didn’t really get in to play the game and win the ball,” he said.

“Because of that we couldn’t get the ball inside 50 and our scoring opportunities were limited.”

I agree, it makes not a jot of sense. I will be livid if we only get pick 42 for him. I don't care that he hasn't been the unqualified success we all hope he will be at this stage, but pick 42 in a shallow draft is NOT ENOUGH. You hear me CAC? NOT ENOUGH!

I agree, it makes not a jot of sense. I will be livid if we only get pick 42 for him. I don't care that he hasn't been the unqualified success we all hope he will be at this stage, but pick 42 in a shallow draft is NOT ENOUGH. You hear me CAC? NOT ENOUGH!

who says its a shallow draft...how would u know. i honestly want to know. have u followed the under 18s? how many tac cup matches did u watch?

i heard it was an even draft, and after the first round it was even. if u draft well pick 42 could be useful.

Michael newton pick 43.

If Chris Johnson is traded Bailey obviously doesnt see him as part of our future.

Johnson has had opportunities, and is simply not afl standard. if we get anything for him we should snatch it.

we need picks to give bailey and CAC an opportunity to build our team.

Chris johnson is borderline delisting. i wouldnt be upset to see him go. pick 43 is more than fine

Would not be surprised with this deal. We'll use pick 43, which is the Saints 3rd pick, as a trade for Meesen. I've thought all along that CAC would get involved in a trade for a lower 3rd pick, as he stated that we'd offer Adelaide a 3rd round pick, but sees 37 as too high.

Redleg will be spewing.

who says its a shallow draft...how would u know. i honestly want to know. have u followed the under 18s? how many tac cup matches did u watch?

i heard it was an even draft, and after the first round it was even. if u draft well pick 42 could be useful.

Michael newton pick 43.

If Chris Johnson is traded Bailey obviously doesnt see him as part of our future.

Johnson has had opportunities, and is simply not afl standard. if we get anything for him we should snatch it.

we need picks to give bailey and CAC an opportunity to build our team.

Chris johnson is borderline delisting. i wouldnt be upset to see him go. pick 43 is more than fine

Woah cool your engines turbo. Why don't you have a dip at everybody else who is saying the same damn thing? The general consensus amongst the recruiters and those involved is that the serious talent is at the very top end and it falls away pretty quickly after that; thats what we keep getting told by the media. I don't expect they've (the media) got much of a clue on the matter, but they would have the ability to speak with those who do, and there would be little for them to gain in hiding it from the public, since most recruiters would likely be of a similar opinion . If you have it on good authority that this is not the case, then I will happily defer to your source over the flogs in the media, but currently they are all most of us have to go on.

I am perfectly aware of the potential to pull a diamond from the rough, but is the smallish chance of that worth giving up CJ before Bailey has had a chance to work with him? It's not like Daniher gave him a fair crack. I would give him another year before taking pick 43 for him. Or pick 58, as might well be the case.

Evidently Bailey sees something in him; why in Gods name would he be part of the group that goes to China to undertake, amongst other things, a leadership course, otherwise? I doubt he would be included at the behest of another staff member.

Pick 43 has little to no value.

Given all the recent publicity and the fact that he's going to the China tour, I highly doubt we'll let him go.

Agreed.

“Last year our pre-season was more to do with run and carry. We focussed on that so much that we didn’t really get in to play the game and win the ball,” he said.

“Because of that we couldn’t get the ball inside 50 and our scoring opportunities were limited.”

Haha, love it.

as a saints fan i would be happy to get him.. could be a decent player for us if given time. i heard our pick 42 was what you will get in return.

I hope we wouldn't take that deal. Better than the pick 58 quoted on Demonology though :|

Fwiw, the CJ article on the MFC website seems to have disappeared. Is this a sign?

I didn't know he was part of the group going to China. That makes the deal unlikely, especially for pick 42.

This is such ridiculousness, about the draft being shallow and all that.

I mean all drafts going back to the start would be comparable to each other.

It's just hard to tell what a 17 yr old will become in a few years.

Recruiters just trying to tell their bosses that the degree of difficulty in accurately assessing talent is huge.

Case in point: James Hird was a ballerina picked up at 70 something, there were plenty of people wrong then as he became one of the greatest players of all time.

Fwiw, the CJ article on the MFC website seems to have disappeared. Is this a sign?

Very interesting...

Would not be surprised with this deal. We'll use pick 43, which is the Saints 3rd pick, as a trade for Meesen. I've thought all along that CAC would get involved in a trade for a lower 3rd pick, as he stated that we'd offer Adelaide a 3rd round pick, but sees 37 as too high.

Redleg will be spewing.

Why would I spew? I think CJ is worth more but if it is a swap of CJ for Meesen well it seems to be worth a try. Meesen would appear to have more upside.

Woah cool your engines turbo. Why don't you have a dip at everybody else who is saying the same damn thing? The general consensus amongst the recruiters and those involved is that the serious talent is at the very top end and it falls away pretty quickly after that; thats what we keep getting told by the media. I don't expect they've (the media) got much of a clue on the matter, but they would have the ability to speak with those who do, and there would be little for them to gain in hiding it from the public, since most recruiters would likely be of a similar opinion . If you have it on good authority that this is not the case, then I will happily defer to your source over the flogs in the media, but currently they are all most of us have to go on.

I am perfectly aware of the potential to pull a diamond from the rough, but is the smallish chance of that worth giving up CJ before Bailey has had a chance to work with him? It's not like Daniher gave him a fair crack. I would give him another year before taking pick 43 for him. Or pick 58, as might well be the case.

Evidently Bailey sees something in him; why in Gods name would he be part of the group that goes to China to undertake, amongst other things, a leadership course, otherwise? I doubt he would be included at the behest of another staff member.

Why dont we tell valenti to nominate for the draft (which he will) and pick him up with pick 43. We all knowhe can play

Stupid trade if it goes through.

FFS Jaded, if we trade him, Dean Bailey traded him - wake up and join the dots!

Bailey is having one hel lof a clearout .. we all wanted something similar.. . You arent going to get an ommelette with out cracking the eggs !!

Fwiw, the CJ article on the MFC website seems to have disappeared. Is this a sign?

Interesting isn't it.

Unfortunately Miller time is still up.

I'd take pick 42 for CJ without hesitation. I wish the guy no ill, but he has shown little to suggest he will be an AFL standard player, and his trade value will be zero next year if not offloaded now.

I'd keep him

There is a chance that he won't make it as an AFL player

IMO there is more chance, a kid drafted at 42 won't make it as an AFL player

IWAP, I'm afraid I'm 99% certain CJ won't make it. I think CAC would have a better than 1% strike rate picking in the low forties of a draft. Just my opinion though.

Interesting isn't it.

Unfortunately Miller time is still up.

Sydney were very interested in Miller, but Bailey's preference was to keep him unless we got something special. Obviously Bailey feels there's something there to work with.

Miller's probably the most maligned player on the list (now Ward and Godders have gone) but his leadership and competitiveness shouldn't be easily dismissed.

Sydney were very interested in Miller, but Bailey's preference was to keep him unless we got something special. Obviously Bailey feels there's something there to work with.

Miller's probably the most maligned player on the list (now Ward and Godders have gone) but his leadership and competitiveness shouldn't be easily dismissed.

If we can get Miller's head back to the days before Daniher neutered him (when he was getting rubbed out 3 times a year), an aggressive, but more mature Miller may yet be a decent player. I'm not convinced by him in any sense yet, but I do believe his confidence has been shot for about 2 years, and that is why he continues to fail. A new coach and a fresh start may yet make something of the man.