21 hours ago, BDA said:

Just listened to Kingy on the ABC footy podcast

He reiterated the meeting was well intentioned and didn’t mean to cause any distress or offence

The interviewer asked him if there was now a trust issue but he batted that away.

I doubt we’ll hear too much more about this

I just heard that excerpt - what a stupid question given that it followed King saying senior players suggested the meeting and that it was well intentioned. Why would there be a trust issue?

Perhaps raises some convern about competence od the FD, but trust? Nah.

If there's Amy trust issue it would be players and partners wondering who they can't trust to keep things in house and not leak to Tom Morris (who by the by, I don't blame for running with the story)

I don't know if this was the right way to go about it or not but leaking it to the media sounds a hell of a lot worse.

29 minutes ago, layzie said:

I don't know if this was the right way to go about it or not but leaking it to the media sounds a hell of a lot worse.

100% agree. So someone had an issue with privacy, so then they leak to the media which results in actually less privacy than there was. Seems like a bit of a ‘look at me’ type act.

By all accounts it seems the meeting was player driven, as I imagine there were a number of Wags who knew what had happened. So the club get on the front foot to speak with the players partners to discuss, what I believe was a really serious issue based on what I’ve heard. Really low act to leak to the media when everything was well intentioned and meant to be supportive of our players partners.

Whether the leak is right/wrong, can Dees management make this the last, very very very easily avoidable and stupid error?

21 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

My mum went to high school with serial murderer Dennis Nilsen. Doesn't mean any of them were friends.

That's some Ann Rule stuff. We covered him in my true crime class last semester. Can I ask what your mum says about him?

2 hours ago, apoplexia said:

That's some Ann Rule stuff. We covered him in my true crime class last semester. Can I ask what your mum says about him?

Hi apoplexia. Unfortunately she left this earth twenty years ago. They were in some of the same classes at Fraserburgh Academy and I remember her saying that he was a very quiet kid and that his dad was a Norwegian called Olav Nilson. I can ask my dad when I see him next week but he was a year younger than them both and from the village of Sandhaven outside of the town so they may not have crossed paths.

Can see the intention but this is immature leadership. Surely there had to be enough nous in the room to know what should and should not be said, or at least consult with the one of the truckloads of SMEs available to the club first to find out.

It's pretty clear to that this happened. There needs to be governance over these issues by someone who knows which way the wind blows.

You could have easily have had a meeting where you outline your commitment as a club to partners and families, and zero tolerance for abuse, without invoking any names or raising any specific narratives.

FFS Melbourne Football Club sort this sh$t out. It isn't that hard.

Edited 13 hours ago13 hr by Robbie On Skates

I haven't got time to find it now, but there is some famous customer loyalty research from Motorola, probably from about 40 years ago (maybe longer) which showed that customers will stick with a company with products that don't quite work as wanted as long as the company that makes the product has a first-class help service. It's the model that many companies, such as Ford Motor Co, have subsequently adopted.

If our club shows that it can make mistakes, but provides first-class service to our footballing families in all other regards, I think we'll come out of this stronger overall.

12 hours ago, layzie said:

I don't know if this was the right way to go about it or not but leaking it to the media sounds a hell of a lot worse.

Agreed. And the recording of the meeting (by the person that did it) would’ve been done discreetly/covertly on another device - Teams/Webex etc make all attendees aware if someone clicks on the record function. In leaking the recording (of a workplace meeting), the player/person themselves has breached workplace laws via disseminating personal information.

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by Ethan Tremblay

10 minutes ago, Macca said:

Richardson also allegedly said in the meeting: “Can we all just make sure we keep this information to ourselves?”

At the second (I think) preseason training session where May had not turned up to (personal leave), a rumour was going around about his relationship.

It wasn't kept to themselves, some insiders knew, then it became indiscreet 'word of mouth' soon after the meeting.

22 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Agreed. And the recording of the meeting (by the person that did it) would’ve been done discreetly/covertly on another device - Teams/Webex etc make all attendees aware if someone clicks on the record function. In leaking the recording (of a workplace meeting), the player/person themselves has breached workplace laws via disseminating personal information.

I demand the cone of silence!

25 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

In leaking the recording (of a workplace meeting), the player/person themselves has breached workplace laws via disseminating personal information.

So if a player partner (not an employee) is invited to a teams meeting to meet demons staff and in that meeting sensitive (possibly breaching laws) material is shared in that call, it’s illegal to record and give that info to a journalist? As proof that a club did possibly breach workplace laws?

I would’ve thought whatever information is voluntarily given to a non-employee, that could be breaching laws, wouldn’t be illegal to share?

(Not doubting you either, I’m not a lawyer so I don’t know).

The bad news is that two-bit ambulance chasing journalists (Tom Morose & Sam Manure spring to mind) will smell blood in the water. We're not Collingwood so this will be a free hit for them.

I do feel for Richardson. There was good intent. Yes, he may not executed things well but you don't expect an unnecessarily aggrieved biachy nobody to record the meeting and use it to undermine the club. Or perhaps you should now expect the worst.

1 hour ago, Return to Glory said:

The bad news is that two-bit ambulance chasing journalists (Tom Morose & Sam Manure spring to mind) will smell blood in the water. We're not Collingwood so this will be a free hit for them.

I do feel for Richardson. There was good intent. Yes, he may not executed things well but you don't expect an unnecessarily aggrieved biachy nobody to record the meeting and use it to undermine the club. Or perhaps you should now expect the worst.

Morris was indeed salivating when he ‘broke’ the ‘story’ on SEN a few days ago - Adam Simpson was a much cooler head.

1 hour ago, defuture15 said:

I demand the cone of silence!

1 hour ago, defuture15 said:

I demand the cone of silence!

1 hour ago, BoBo said:

So if a player partner (not an employee) is invited to a teams meeting to meet demons staff and in that meeting sensitive (possibly breaching laws) material is shared in that call, it’s illegal to record and give that info to a journalist? As proof that a club did possibly breach workplace laws?

I would’ve thought whatever information is voluntarily given to a non-employee, that could be breaching laws, wouldn’t be illegal to share?

(Not doubting you either, I’m not a lawyer so I don’t know).

It’s hard to comment without having all of the information, sorry. Laws change depending on the state they were in, then there’s whistleblower status of the person who provided the recording.

5 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

It’s hard to comment without having all of the information, sorry. Laws change depending on the state they were in, then there’s whistleblower status of the person who provided the recording.

No worries and thanks. I imagined it would be complicated.

I don't know about anyone else but whenever I record conversations I perceive to be of a sensitive and private nature my first thought is always to hand it over to Tom Morris.

Not impressed by anyone in this scenario, not the club, nor the person who recorded it and farmed it off to the media. It would enrage me as a player that someone inside the camp could be so perfidious. Perhaps it stirred the playing group to yesterday's win?

17 hours ago, BoBo said:

Whether the leak is right/wrong, can Dees management make this the last, very very very easily avoidable and stupid error?

17 hours ago, BoBo said:

Whether the leak is right/wrong, can Dees management make this the last, very very very easily avoidable and stupid error?

17 hours ago, BoBo said:

Whether the leak is right/wrong, can Dees management make this the last, very very very easily avoidable and stupid error?

Good call. Club was naive saying let's keep this a private zoom hook up.

Of course a participant couldn't help themselves and it was leaked accordingly.

Good intentions. Poorly thought through.

Why are we meeting with employees wives, some type of new age thing.