If Hayden Skipworth is a serious voice at Collingwood he should be the only guy to coach us. For pretty much the same reasons I wanted Daly I now want Skipworth. A failed coach who’s been in the media for 5 years or an assistant at one of the best run clubs in the business. Buckley isn’t the man.

17 hours ago, reynolds46 said:

It probably would save time talking only about journalists that are respected and of quality.

29 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

If Hayden Skipworth is a serious voice at Collingwood he should be the only guy to coach us. For pretty much the same reasons I wanted Daly I now want Skipworth. A failed coach who’s been in the media for 5 years or an assistant at one of the best run clubs in the business. Buckley isn’t the man.

There last serious voice from Collingwood wasn't so good...

34 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

If Hayden Skipworth is a serious voice at Collingwood he should be the only guy to coach us. For pretty much the same reasons I wanted Daly I now want Skipworth. A failed coach who’s been in the media for 5 years or an assistant at one of the best run clubs in the business. Buckley isn’t the man.

Skipworth is the apparent #2 seed and results like last night won’t be hurting his credentials.

The message the Collingwood coaching staff sold to their players pre game this week must have been pretty damn priceless.

12 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Skipworth is the apparent #2 seed and results like last night won’t be hurting his credentials.

The message the Collingwood coaching staff sold to their players pre game this week must have been pretty damn priceless.

We need a fresh approach from someone who works with the best in the business. I maintain that Buckley is the safe, very Melbourne choice. We may as well of kept Goodwin.

I think the club itself needs more in terms of leadership than an assistant is likely to be able to provide and this is why Buckley is a favourite. They’re all great coaches but we’ve basically had max carrying the club and now we need to rebuild the culture and standards around the place, the actual footy performance is just one part of what we need to happen

24 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Skipworth is the apparent #2 seed and results like last night won’t be hurting his credentials.

The message the Collingwood coaching staff sold to their players pre game this week must have been pretty damn priceless.

Or the Adelaide midfield was so poor so it made the filth look good

19 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

I think the club itself needs more in terms of leadership than an assistant is likely to be able to provide and this is why Buckley is a favourite. They’re all great coaches but we’ve basically had max carrying the club and now we need to rebuild the culture and standards around the place, the actual footy performance is just one part of what we need to happen

If we’re hiring a coach to try and lead the club as a whole we’re still acting like amateur’s. You get the best coach and you support him to do his job. Others run the organisation. Buckley isn’t the best coach, never was, likely never will be.

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

If Hayden Skipworth is a serious voice at Collingwood he should be the only guy to coach us. For pretty much the same reasons I wanted Daly I now want Skipworth. A failed coach who’s been in the media for 5 years or an assistant at one of the best run clubs in the business. Buckley isn’t the man.

Poor coaches can come from good clubs and good coaches can come from underperforming clubs.

Edited September 4Sep 4 by KozzyCan

39 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I maintain that Buckley is the safe, very Melbourne choice. We may as well of kept Goodwin.

Can you elaborate on this? Roos is the only Melbourne coach I've seen that meets a similar criteria to Buckley and I think that was a good appointment.

On 02/09/2025 at 16:51, Ethan Tremblay said:

If all of those happen..

I thought the same thing during 2021; how great it was to finally be a serious and professional AFL team. Was very short-lived.

Us old codgers who started following footy from 1954 to 1964 are very privileged to remember a true dynasty. Resurrect Norm!!!

1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

I think the club itself needs more in terms of leadership than an assistant is likely to be able to provide and this is why Buckley is a favourite. They’re all great coaches but we’ve basically had max carrying the club and now we need to rebuild the culture and standards around the place, the actual footy performance is just one part of what we need to happen

100%

We’ve already got backroom politics going on with people trying to undermine Guerra, this isn’t a job for a new face

A clubs success is the sum of all parts. In a scale between 1-10 the majority of areas needs to be at 8. Areas are but not limited to, game plan, skills, personal (playing - administrating) fitness physically, mentally, recovery, injury, governance, communication, media,

Most arguments on this forum are right, based acutely on a part. A coach is only a part of the sum, like Selwyn is now, Richardson, Guerra, Smith. Hopefully each part starts to get stronger and away we go!

I am very open minded about who we get as our next coach but am leaning towards Buckley. I would ask 2 questions during the interview process

1/ How do you view our forward line and what would you do to improve it

2/ How would you improve our mid to forward line connection.

whoever gives the best answers then give them the job.

I don’t think we are that far away if we can solve our forward line efficiency. It is our Achilles heel.Has been for years.

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

Can you elaborate on this? Roos is the only Melbourne coach I've seen that meets a similar criteria to Buckley and I think that was a good appointment.

Pure results suggest Roos was below average

Just now, Oxdee said:

Pure results suggest Roos was below average

The team had no talent when he started and was knocking on the door of finals when he left. Was the exact right person for the club at the time.

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

If we’re hiring a coach to try and lead the club as a whole we’re still acting like amateur’s. You get the best coach and you support him to do his job. Others run the organisation. Buckley isn’t the best coach, never was, likely never will be.

I think the appeal of Buckley is the potential Paul Roos impact of changing the culture of the entire organisation, our challenge doesn't just involve on field and it's silly to suggest it does.

We've had rolling drama for a few years, what appears from the outside to be slipping standards on and of the field and off field issues to key players as well have behavioral/attitude ones.

The reason Bucks appeals to me more than say Skipworth is that any edge Skipworth might have purely in terms of coaching is likely significantly outweighed by the benefits of Buckley in terms of raising the standards across the board and coming in with an aura that demands immediate respect and credibility.

This impacts sponsors, players considering the MFC, players undecided about staying at the club, the caliber of support staff we might bring in, there is a whole list of benefits someone like Nathan Buckley brings that go way beyond coaching.

So even if we thought Skipworth was a slightly better coach, i think there is still a very obvious reason Buckley is the run away favourite for the role.

1 minute ago, KozzyCan said:

Can you elaborate on this? Roos is the only Melbourne coach I've seen that meets a similar criteria to Buckley and I think that was a good appointment.

Firstly I think Roos was a much better coach than Buckley. Secondly I don’t think our list or club is the basket case it was when Roos and Jackson arrived. Buckley has had his time as coach, and although I wouldn’t call it a complete failure, he largely ended where Goodwin did, with an underperforming list. Skipworth is the senior assistant and midfield coach of Collingwood, who once again have themselves in line for a Flag. Buckley has been in the media for last 4-5 years. I just don’t get the love for him.

Just now, Roost it far said:

Firstly I think Roos was a much better coach than Buckley. Secondly I don’t think our list or club is the basket case it was when Roos and Jackson arrived. Buckley has had his time as coach, and although I wouldn’t call it a complete failure, he largely ended where Goodwin did, with an underperforming list. Skipworth is the senior assistant and midfield coach of Collingwood, who once again have themselves in line for a Flag. Buckley has been in the media for last 4-5 years. I just don’t get the love for him.

So what exactly do you mean by 'Buckley is the very Melbourne choice'

Historically we've leaned mostly towards highly touted untried assistant coaches, which is what you are suggesting.

2 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

I think the appeal of Buckley is the potential Paul Roos impact of changing the culture of the entire organisation, our challenge doesn't just involve on field and it's silly to suggest it does.

We've had rolling drama for a few years, what appears from the outside to be slipping standards on and of the field and off field issues to key players as well have behavioral/attitude ones.

The reason Bucks appeals to me more than say Skipworth is that any edge Skipworth might have purely in terms of coaching is likely significantly outweighed by the benefits of Buckley in terms of raising the standards across the board and coming in with an aura that demands immediate respect and credibility.

This impacts sponsors, players considering the MFC, players undecided about staying at the club, the caliber of support staff we might bring in, there is a whole list of benefits someone like Nathan Buckley brings that go way beyond coaching.

So even if we thought Skipworth was a slightly better coach, i think there is still a very obvious reason Buckley is the run away favourite for the role.

You simply elaborate on why I think Buckley is both the safe, very Melbourne choice and the completely wrong choice. He has zero experience in helping turn an entire football club around and that shouldn’t even be his remit. I want the hunger that a first time coach brings. I want to leave the running of the club to others and leave the coach to do his thing. I want the next 10 year coach with intimate knowledge of how the best go about it.

Just now, Roost it far said:

You simply elaborate on why I think Buckley is both the safe, very Melbourne choice and the completely wrong choice. He has zero experience in helping turn an entire football club around and that shouldn’t even be his remit. I want the hunger that a first time coach brings. I want to leave the running of the club to others and leave the coach to do his thing. I want the next 10 year coach with intimate knowledge of how the best go about it.

For sure, lets go a highly touted Collingwood assistant! we nailed that last time haha

2 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

So what exactly do you mean by 'Buckley is the very Melbourne choice'

Historically we've leaned mostly towards highly touted untried assistant coaches, which is what you are suggesting.

For a moment tell me why you think Buckley is the coach for us ahead of some highly rated assistants, which is where all the best coaches come from, and admittedly most of the worst as well. I don’t want safe, I don’t want us appeasing anyone, as others have suggested the Buckley appointment will do to sponsors etc.

1 minute ago, Ted Lasso said:

For sure, lets go a highly touted Collingwood assistant! we nailed that last time haha

Strong reply Ted.

8 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Firstly I think Roos was a much better coach than Buckley. Secondly I don’t think our list or club is the basket case it was when Roos and Jackson arrived. Buckley has had his time as coach, and although I wouldn’t call it a complete failure, he largely ended where Goodwin did, with an underperforming list. Skipworth is the senior assistant and midfield coach of Collingwood, who once again have themselves in line for a Flag. Buckley has been in the media for last 4-5 years. I just don’t get the love for him.

Buckley "not a complete failure" as a coach, wow you're harsh. He was Dom Sheed magic away from a flag and followed up with PF and SF finals and then his message ran out. All coaches except Chis Scott and Kevin Sheedy have a use-by date at a club and even Sheedy ultimately did.

Buckley's coaching trajectory at Collingwood was similar to Goodwin's at Melbourne except he didn't snag that elusive flag. I don't think anyone is describing Simon Goodwin as "not a complete failure".

Buckley did preside over cultural change at Collingwood, he inherited the "rat-pack" of players and weeded them out and then took his list to within a kick of the flag.

He's been there, done that and IMO has grown from the experience. I'm with @Ted Lasso and his persuasive posting, Buckley is the right choice for Melbourne at this time.

Edited September 4Sep 4 by old55

Just now, Roost it far said:

For a moment tell me why you think Buckley is the coach for us ahead of some highly rated assistants, which is where all the best coaches come from, and admittedly most of the worst as well. I don’t want safe, I don’t want us appeasing anyone, as others have suggested the Buckley appointment will do to sponsors etc.

I would be fine with Buckley, don't think he's a bad coach at all. I'm pretty much happy to give anyone they appoint a shot. Just pick who they believe is the best option.

From the outside it's impossible to make any real judgement on assistants for the most part. Basically a lucky dip for us supporters. Chris Scott did a two year stint at a middle of the road Freo before getting appointed to Geelong and becoming one of the best coaches of the era. Neeld was Malthouse's right hand man when Pies were humming and was a disaster.