48 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I'm positive he knew his job was on the line with or without the Board presentation.

By saying the sacking was unexpected and there was no indication the Board presentation was for his job is Goodwin writing his own narrative. Ditto, the only reason given was needing a 'fresh voice'. He knows there were other contributing factors some raised briefly in last night's AFL360.

Sooo, not blindsided......

Sorry, luci couldn't help myself (binman do better)

I think if you compare Carlton and Melbourne over the last couple of weeks, Carlton's board made it very clear to Voss/Wright that their presentation was going to be used as a direct input to used to decide whether or not they continue with Voss or make a change.

For Melbourne, it seems that they lacked that transparency with Goodwin and here he is thinking he's giving a standard update to the board when he was actually supposed to present why they should keep him.

Just imagine having a standard catch-up with your boss at work, and then a week later told it was actually your performance review meeting and you were completely unaware and didn't get to showcase everything you've done over the last 6 months? That's what it feels like has happened.

I'm just disappointed with the lack of transparency between the board and Goodwin and I can't work out if it was deceitful, cowardly or just plain incompetence.

Yep, it's all about results. Unfortunately it's too much so. You could hypothetically have a team lose 16 games by under a goal - week after week where just one bounce, dropped mark, missed 'sitter' goal or opposition fluke goal, injury, wind change etc etc - and despite ending the year with 6 or 7 wins and those 16 losses and percentage of 130 they start the next year under pressure. That same team may have been the 2nd best too.

I'm not gonna claim I know where our team's at and how likely much at the current flaws can get fixed or lessened. But IF we really are not that far off it's incredibly wrong to remove our only living premiership coach for an unknown quantity. The silly thing is if things really fall apart for the next few years the general public will never know that we had actually been painfully close to Goody getting that 2026/2027 flag.

12 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I think if you compare Carlton and Melbourne over the last couple of weeks, Carlton's board made it very clear to Voss/Wright that their presentation was going to be used as a direct input to used to decide whether or not they continue with Voss or make a change.

For Melbourne, it seems that they lacked that transparency with Goodwin and here he is thinking he's giving a standard update to the board when he was actually supposed to present why they should keep him.

Just imagine having a standard catch-up with your boss at work, and then a week later told it was actually your performance review meeting and you were completely unaware and didn't get to showcase everything you've done over the last 6 months? That's what it feels like has happened.

I'm just disappointed with the lack of transparency between the board and Goodwin and I can't work out if it was deceitful, cowardly or just plain incompetence.

Since Brett Ratten Carlton up to Voss had 4 coaches none lasting more than 3 and a half years. I'm sure those 4 coaches in 8 years has been detrimental to Carlton's progress. IMHO you want stability and long-term coaches. At least Carlton realised this. (Melbourne maybe not)

13 hours ago, Harvey Wallbanger said:

Not quite what I heard - I heard (all very politely of course):

1. You need stability and alignment to have success.

2. Then referenced how that (stability and alignment) existed when Peter Jackson was there, implying it does not exist currently.

3. Clearly believes the Board's decision was wrong (but you would have to ask them for the rationale - apart from the "new voice" line).

4. And finally he said "Gary, you've got Greeny's number - why don't you give him a call?"

5. Also said he did not see the decision coming because there had been a normal Board meeting post the St Kilda loss, and he would have preferred to have had a chance to pitch a rationale for staying if they were inclined to sack him.

So he’s had the season we’ve had and he strolled on in thinking it’s just another normal board meeting….so we’re to believe he honestly thought he was safe and didn’t feel the need to present differently to the board because it was considered a normal / routine board meeting. What did he discuss then? He’s been involved in footy long enough to know he was in trouble, and now some are calling the his sacking a mistake, comical.

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40 minutes ago, binman said:

Sooo, not blindsided......

Sorry, luci couldn't help myself (binman do better)

All good binman.

No I didn't think nor mean to imply that in my earlier post. It was about him speaking as if he was blindsided.

I don't know or care much for boards and their machinations but I do think Green is doing a good job and next year I expect he will have all his men in place to take us forward.

What I do concentrate on is the team and how it is going and while I have been perplexed by the variety of performances thrown up by this group in the last 18 plus months I am quite happy / not unhappy that we have let Goodwin go. The main reason being is that they (in my opinion) became comfortable. Complacent even.

And that attitude if it is seen or perceived to be seen is a black mark against any coach. People talk of losing the players, well that is definitely not the case with Goody, in fact it was closer to the opposite. He became too close to his players and consequently couldn't give them a "bollocking". And while Goodwin was probably turning our fortunes around the "will to win", the desperation to get over the line, the intangible team ethos that gets wins from anywhere, was missing and is still missing as evidenced in the game against the Dogs just gone. This is where a new voice from a new coach can have some impact. And Goodwin must know that.

27 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

So he’s had the season we’ve had and he strolled on in thinking it’s just another normal board meeting….so we’re to believe he honestly thought he was safe and didn’t feel the need to present differently to the board because it was considered a normal / routine board meeting. What did he discuss then? He’s been involved in footy long enough to know he was in trouble, and now some are calling the his sacking a mistake, comical.

If the thought hadn't crossed his mind he would have never said he had the backing of the board. Could you imagine Fagan or McRae saying that?

What's comical? Persevering a little longer with a coach who broke one of the longest ever droughts less than four years ago and who hadn't lost the players?

7 minutes ago, deespicable me said:

I don't know or care much for boards and their machinations but I do think Green is doing a good job and next year I expect he will have all his men in place to take us forward.

What I do concentrate on is the team and how it is going and while I have been perplexed by the variety of performances thrown up by this group in the last 18 plus months I am quite happy / not unhappy that we have let Goodwin go. The main reason being is that they (in my opinion) became comfortable. Complacent even.

And that attitude if it is seen or perceived to be seen is a black mark against any coach. People talk of losing the players, well that is definitely not the case with Goody, in fact it was closer to the opposite. He became too close to his players and consequently couldn't give them a "bollocking". And while Goodwin was probably turning our fortunes around the "will to win", the desperation to get over the line, the intangible team ethos that gets wins from anywhere, was missing and is still missing as evidenced in the game against the Dogs just gone. This is where a new voice from a new coach can have some impact. And Goodwin must know that.

I sure hope the board didn't rely on speculation like that!

2 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Green was shocking in the presser. Looked extremely nervous and like he'd been coached just to say 'fresh voice' over and over.

Seriously. Have you ever had to terminate someone? Its an emotional and legal minefield. Cut him some slack.

It's not like he does this every day. Its a terrible situation.

54 minutes ago, Go Ds said:

Since Brett Ratten Carlton up to Voss had 4 coaches none lasting more than 3 and a half years. I'm sure those 4 coaches in 8 years has been detrimental to Carlton's progress. IMHO you want stability and long-term coaches. At least Carlton realised this. (Melbourne maybe not)

Totally different situation. Melbourne has a premiership list

Carlton has a list full of plodders.

4 hours ago, binman said:

Which by the by is a perfect example of why focusing on the coach as the cause of a lack of success condem clubs like us, the bombers and the blues to being unsuccessful. Unless we sort our executive it won't matter a jot who coaches us.

Especially if we cant get a key forward

1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I think if you compare Carlton and Melbourne over the last couple of weeks, Carlton's board made it very clear to Voss/Wright that their presentation was going to be used as a direct input to used to decide whether or not they continue with Voss or make a change.

For Melbourne, it seems that they lacked that transparency with Goodwin and here he is thinking he's giving a standard update to the board when he was actually supposed to present why they should keep him.

Just imagine having a standard catch-up with your boss at work, and then a week later told it was actually your performance review meeting and you were completely unaware and didn't get to showcase everything you've done over the last 6 months? That's what it feels like has happened.

I'm just disappointed with the lack of transparency between the board and Goodwin and I can't work out if it was deceitful, cowardly or just plain incompetence.

You have no idea what the Board said to Goodwin other than what Goodwin has said to the media. They are hardly going to say 'he was warned about losses and there was no improvement so he was sacked'

Give them some credit. Its a balance between showing Goodwin respect for what he has done but acknowledging that the club has underperformed significantly - with the same problems from 4 years ago still evident (kicking, forward connection, losing close games etc). Our finishing in close games is nothing short if disgraceful so the lack of coaching there is an indictment on goodwin.

We have a list that has won a flag albeit older and with some issues amongst senior players.

But some people here have very short memories. They talked about contending for a flag at the start of the year and started 0-5. Our wins have generally come against poor opposition and our losses to the bottom 7 clubs is frankly unacceptable with the list we have. We trained all summer with an aggressive mindset and a variable midfield including Langdon, Rivers etc. Yet when the real stuff started it disappeared. My memory is that the previous year was the same. Attacking gameplan pre-season and completely ditched during season proper.

What's more is that we were being dished up the same tripe week in week out with very few positional changes in the midfield, poor selection integrity and a stubbornness about the coaching style.

Off field we hare struggling big time according to my sources. We lost IG as a sponsor and have bled members with our poor performances

A new coach is likely to invigorate our playing group at the very least whilst we still have elite talent.

A gutsy decision by our Board that needs support.

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Very much this.

First .. you're in the sights..

Then .. you lock and load ( which ironically is reverse of normality with weapons..but i digress )

Then you wait.. If not needed, stand down.

If situation deemed 'defcon' .. pull trigger.

Imho.. Goody's future was weighed at end of last season. Became a target as games lost earlier.

Once it was decided that we weren't going anywhere fast after wheels fell off again. Meetings were scheduled, phone calls made.

And here we are today.

Go Dees

Plain as day bub

7 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

You have no idea what the Board said to Goodwin other than what Goodwin has said to the media. They are hardly going to say 'he was warned about losses and there was no improvement so he was sacked'

Give them some credit. Its a balance between showing Goodwin respect for what he has done but acknowledging that the club has underperformed significantly - with the same problems from 4 years ago still evident (kicking, forward connection, losing close games etc). Our finishing in close games is nothing short if disgraceful so the lack of coaching there is an indictment on goodwin.

We have a list that has won a flag albeit older and with some issues amongst senior players.

But some people here have very short memories. They talked about contending for a flag at the start of the year and started 0-5. Our wins have generally come against poor opposition and our losses to the bottom 7 clubs is frankly unacceptable with the list we have. We trained all summer with an aggressive mindset and a variable midfield including Langdon, Rivers etc. Yet when the real stuff started it disappeared. My memory is that the previous year was the same. Attacking gameplan pre-season and completely ditched during season proper.

What's more is that we were being dished up the same tripe week in week out with very few positional changes in the midfield, poor selection integrity and a stubbornness about the coaching style.

Off field we hare struggling big time according to my sources. We lost IG as a sponsor and have bled members with our poor performances

A new coach is likely to invigorate our playing group at the very least whilst we still have elite talent.

A gutsy decision by our Board that needs support.

Can you refresh my memory who was so confident of our prospects this year? We were probably 30 to 1 in March. I know on here some of us were quietly confident. But lots weren't even that! Then we broke some record with five debutants in round 1! Two of those had barely had a month as official players yet still our selectors chose them over our flag-ready warriors?

14 hours ago, Pottsydee said:

Goody has shown a high level of integrity. I still fell this is the right direction and commend the board on having the brass to do it. A fresh voice is exactly what is needed. While I have no doubt Goody means all the things he is saying, he is clearly lining himself up for his next job.

… because he has to! He was sacked with no heads up… zero warning. Please don’t let the commendable way he’s handling himself publicly lead you to believe that he’s not hurt and bitterly disappointed, because he is. He’s “lining himself up for his next job” because he has to, NOT because he wants to.

2 hours ago, binman said:

Sooo, not blindsided......

100% blindsided. They all were.

56 minutes ago, Fritta and Turner said:

Especially if we cant get a key forward

We’ve got a key forward, only he’s yet to debut. His name’s LUKER KENTFIELD 😁

7 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

We’ve got a key forward, only he’s yet to debut. His name’s LUKER KENTFIELD 😁

I think you'll find that's Kenterfield (the er is silent)

3 hours ago, binman said:

It doesn't to me.

Since his sacking Goody has not behaved or spoken like someone who was blindsided.

Hell, it's sounds like he's already lined up a new job.

Anywhoo its a moot point, not to mention semantics.

I just hope they announce the new coach soon so we can have a proper crack at the trade period.

Yep he’s very adept at appearing like someone who wasn’t blindsided. If I didn’t know the truth, he probably would’ve fooled me as well

12 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

100% blindsided. They all were.

So you don't think he knew his position was at risk?

I have no doubt he was blind sighted by the timing, but I strongly believe that he knew his role was under review and not 100% safe.

15 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Yep he’s very adept at appearing like someone who wasn’t blindsided. If I didn’t know the truth, he probably would’ve fooled me as well

In due respect GW, how do you know the truth? Staff and players are not privy to what occurs at higher management and board level.

It does feel like the board made a decision based on a gut feel rather than going through a proper process.

I have been in the sack Simon camp for a long time now and I suspect this is the right decision but it has yet again been handled so poorly by the club and by the leadership players who leaked it to the media.

Simon is correct, we are a better team than the 7-14 record suggests and we have finally started to properly change the way we play. What we have done is forget how to win, we are 4-14 in games decided by less than 13 points since round 20 2023.

He is the least respected premiership coach in the history of the game and this is further proof of that. If he puts his personal issues behind me, he will probably be an excellent hire for another team with a stable off-field.

We will always be thankful for 2021. The 2023 finals series will always haunt us and ultimately that was on him.

22 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

So you don't think he knew his position was at risk?

I have no doubt he was blind sighted by the timing, but I strongly believe that he knew his role was under review and not 100% safe.

He was led to believe he’d be there to see out the H&A this year, moreover that he’d be coaching us next year. So people will say he’s naïve and maybe he is, but the fact remains… this came out of the blue, this was unexpected, not just by Goody but by everyone: players, assistant coaches, training staff, medical staff, property staff… everyone. And this is because Goody still had the unwavering belief that we’d be back in contention real soon. He truly believed this.

I don't doubt the famous 'lack of alignment' made things difficult overall, but it didn't cause us to blow back-to-back finals campaigns due to lack of conversion/killer instinct, or lead them to persist with an awful forward structure while the season was still on the line last year.

And I'm confused by the bit about he talks about a club in transition but he didn't play a first gamer after Round 1, Laurie got a quarter, Woewodin (who may not be up to it anyway) had one game and was forgotten, Rivers and McVee never get a decent go in the middle, van Rooyen was in and out of the side when Petty played about 10 awful games as a forward last year and couldn't be blasted out of the forward 50 with dynamite etc... There may have been gameplay tweaks at the end, but I thought it came across more like he was coaching to prop things up this year rather than building for the future.