Just now, old dee said:

  1 minute ago, old dee said:

I don't like your maths, 2 season of 100+ vs Myers with 4 seasons. Spargo is half as good as Myers. Also when were the 100+ seasons? I suspect 3+ years

3 hours ago, Adam The God said:

You don't have 2 seasons of 100+ score involvements and another season of 93 score involvements if you can't kick the footy.

He's an elite distributor.

For comparison, Geelong's Myers, someone regularly lauded as one of the best forward half users in the game, has had 4 seasons of 100+ score involvements. So basically one better season than Spargo.

Spargo was injured practically all last season.

I'd have Spargo in my team every week.

Those years he had over 100 are purely on weight of games. He was 169th and 192nd for score involvements average per game. Miers isnt a fair comparison of course but he's 9th, 28th etc.

Since returning he's around 250th+ for score involvements per game.

But i agree, hes in my team also cause we dont realistically have anyone else i trust for a 13 possession 3 tackle 1 clanger 3 score involvement game.

Edited May 21May 21 by Jjrogan

1 minute ago, Adam The God said:

OD, I hope you're okay. I wrote 2 seasons of 100+ and one of 93. That's close enough to 3 seasons of 100 score involvements, which is a season behind Myers.

Correct I realised my error and corrected. When were these seasons? I suspect pre 2023. 2024 he only played part of 1 game and 2023 he spent most of the year as Casey. IMO it is a long time since he has been more than average.

14 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

The SCG is 155m from goal line to goal line. The MCG is 160 metres. There's hardly any difference at all, but the myth persists.

Agreed - the extra 2.5 m of space between the arcs and centre square at the MCG in comparison is a bit of an optical illusion.

30 minutes ago, deejammin' said:

Does Hamling and Ladhams as the forwards mean we can’t play both Turner and Lever as well as May and McDonald? I’d think May on Ladhams, McDonald Hamling and Turner Hayward leaving Lever free might work? But also could make us vulnerable at ground level?

I reckon 4 talls at the back is too much especially due to the quality of their talls

21 hours ago, Jjrogan said:

Hard to know what to make of the Swans.

I think Sydney have been pretty rock solid this year as evidenced by a competitive percentage of 99 amidst a bad run with injury and suspension.

There's only two games that they've let themselves down in and that's the second of the GC game and the first half of the Essendon game. The rest of the games they've been fine. In fact it's a little hard to believe we're on the same amount of wins as them.

Therefore, I'd expect Sydney to be a very hard nut to crack Sunday and we need to lead early and be accurate.

Despite our tremendous win last week, I think the bookies have it correct with Sydney slight favs.

3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I reckon 4 talls at the back is too much especially due to the quality of their talls

one needs to go or lever stays out again i think the latter

With no Amartey or Logan McDonald might we take a chance on 'managing' May or Mcdonald?

Edited May 21May 21 by Dee*ceiving

13 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

Those years he had over 100 are purely on weight of games. He was 169th and 192nd for score involvements average per game. Miers isnt a fair comparison of course but he's 9th, 28th etc.

Since returning he's around 250th+ for score involvements per game.

But i agree, hes in my team also cause we dont realistically have anyone else i trust for a 13 possession 3 tackle 1 clanger 3 score involvement game.

You're not really selling me on him. Might be time to bring in another who's at least having a crack with results. Spargo I do concede has always struck me as something of an enigma. He's effective, but in a limited way ( these days )

Granted He's coming off a rubbish preseason but I'm more about a team than a player.

Not a walk up start imho

All the discussion about the relative size of the SCG and MCG confused me. I had assumed that because this was the second week of the Doug Nicholls Round, our game would be held in Alice Springs. It seems a no-brainer to me that a game should be played in Alice Springs during the Doug Nicholls round as it provides the AFL with incredible opportunities to promote positive stories about indigenous players and communities. Isn't that why the Doug Nicholls round exists?

2 minutes ago, old dee said:

Correct I realised my error and corrected. When were these seasons? I suspect pre 2023. 2024 he only played part of 1 game and 2023 he spent most of the year as Casey. IMO it is a long time since he has been more than average.

In Charlie's first season (2018), he had 93 score involvements.

He had 110 score involvements in 2021, 101 score involvements in 2022 and 54 in 2023 where he played 14 games, so he didn't spend most of the year at Casey.

This season, he has 30 score involvements from 7 full games and 1 as a sub with 18% TOG (so effectively 7 games). He's effectively going at 4.2 score involvements per game. With 13 games remaining, if he plays all of them and averages this, he'll finish 2025 with 84 or 85 score involvements. He's right on his career average of 4.2.

Does he need to improve his form? Everyone can. Has Spargo's kicking always been poor? No.

You've then decided to shift the goal posts now and claim he's just 'always been a poor kick' post 2023.

25 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

Those years he had over 100 are purely on weight of games. He was 169th and 192nd for score involvements average per game. Miers isnt a fair comparison of course but he's 9th, 28th etc.

Since returning he's around 250th+ for score involvements per game.

But i agree, hes in my team also cause we dont realistically have anyone else i trust for a 13 possession 3 tackle 1 clanger 3 score involvement game.

What do you mean purely on weight of games? He's got a career average of 4.2 score involvements per game. Miers has a career average of 5.6, in a side that has played consistently well for his entire career. You can't say the same for Charlie.

I like Charlie, he does a stack of selfless running to plug space/stifle transition/make space but I wouldn't mind seeing Pup Brown have a crack at that role at some stage.

Charlie dropped a couple of marks he probably should have taken on Sunday and it seems his kicking penetration has degraded further this year.

Kynan will be faster, most likely kick further and probably hungrier but won't have the footy smarts of Charlie (not yet at least).

16 minutes ago, jaydenh10 said:

one needs to go or lever stays out again i think the latter

The original stated return was said to be 2 games at Casey. He played half a game last week. I expect he will be at Casey again this week. With an ankle injury he would have had little running over the last 2 months.

Edited May 21May 21 by old dee

32 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

The SCG is 155m from goal line to goal line. The MCG is 160 metres. There's hardly any difference at all, but the myth persists.

Yes, but its not as wide - i think its something like 5 meters less.

So 5 meters shorter and 5 meters narrower meaning the surface area of the SCG is smaller than the G which has an impact on the ability of teams to spread and is a big factor in how congested matches are at the SCG which in turn impacts scoring.

I haven't had a chance to double check this data, so take this with a grain of AI salt, but according to Copilot:

Summary Comparison

Stadium	Avg. Total Score (Last 10 Seasons)
MCG	188.5 points
SCG	177.0 points

This difference reflects the slightly more expansive playing conditions at the MCG, which can lead to higher scoring games.

13 minutes ago, jaydenh10 said:

one needs to go or lever stays out again i think the latter

No way Lever isn't in. Expecting Viney in too.

Two changes is maximum you'd think.
Sharp is certainly out. No idea who the other will be... probably AJ

Just now, binman said:

Yes, but its not as wide - i think its something like 5 meters less.

So 5 meters shorter and 5 meters narrower meaning the surface area of the SCG is smaller than the G which has an impact on the ability of teams to spread and is a big factor in how congested matches are at the SCG which in turn impacts scoring.

I haven't had a chance to double check this data, so take this with a grain of AI salt, but according to Copilot:

Summary Comparison

Stadium	Avg. Total Score (Last 10 Seasons)
MCG	188.5 points
SCG	177.0 points

This difference reflects the slightly more expansive playing conditions at the MCG, which can lead to higher scoring games.

Isn't there a conspiracy that their 50m rulers are a little questionable?

3 minutes ago, No10 said:

No way Lever isn't in. Expecting Viney in too.

Two changes is maximum you'd think.
Sharp is certainly out. No idea who the other will be... probably AJ

What is the reason he should be in other your desire to have him in? He played half a game after 2 months out injured which involved surgery. It is not a must final. I agree sharp isn't!

Edited May 21May 21 by old dee

2 minutes ago, No10 said:

No way Lever isn't in. Expecting Viney in too.

Two changes is maximum you'd think.
Sharp is certainly out. No idea who the other will be... probably AJ

at least one change with viney. iam hoping brown gets a game as well but goody has his favs and probably wont happen, also as others have said keep bailey the sub for a week or two more it really suited him well, he provided as much pressure in that last qtr then he has in his whole career

1 minute ago, jaydenh10 said:

at least one change with viney. iam hoping brown gets a game as well but goody has his favs and probably wont happen, also as others have said keep bailey the sub for a week or two more it really suited him well, he provided as much pressure in that last qtr then he has in his whole career

You have given me a smile jd10. That does not equate to a lot of pressure.

12 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

I like Charlie, he does a stack of selfless running to plug space/stifle transition/make space but I wouldn't mind seeing Pup Brown have a crack at that role at some stage.

Charlie dropped a couple of marks he probably should have taken on Sunday and it seems his kicking penetration has degraded further this year.

Kynan will be faster, most likely kick further and probably hungrier but won't have the footy smarts of Charlie (not yet at least).

I don't mind what I've seen of Brown, but those that watch Casey regularly say he butchers the footy. This is why he's not getting games ahead of a guy like Spargo. They're prioritising ball use at AFL level over huge tackle numbers at Casey.

1 hour ago, D Rev said:

Even though they have beaten us at the 'G before, they simply wont be able to tap it from the centre to inside 50 for a 30m kick to goal so easily this week. The SCG really is ridiculous.

If we keep the pressure up and get our overlap game going, we should be fine.

"should"

The SCG is only 5m shorter than the MCG! And it's only 1m shorter than the Gabba. It ain't that small as far as length goes.

1 minute ago, Jjrogan said:

Those years he had over 100 are purely on weight of games. He was 169th and 192nd for score involvements average per game. Miers isnt a fair comparison of course but he's 9th, 28th etc.

Since returning he's around 250th+ for score involvements per game.

But i agree, hes in my team also cause we dont realistically have anyone else i trust for a 13 possession 3 tackle 1 clanger game.

18 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

What do you mean purely on weight of games? He's got a career average of 4.2 score involvements per game. Miers has a career average of 5.6, in a side that has played consistently well for his entire career. You can't say the same for Charlie.

Actually, theyve both played in near identical winning percentages of around 65 percent. And both played in 5/6 winning years and 1 losing season. Their 'winning' environment is about the same but anyway.

I meant Spargo got to 100 playing so many games in a season. As a forward, he's about 100th in SI rankings. He might be an above average distributor but he doesnt do it enough clearly. Whether on him or goodwin dunno, he'saverage at best overall but out next best is well below average so he shouldnt get dropped. Tholstrup should be absolutley gunning for his spot but reports from last week were not encouraging

Edited May 21May 21 by Jjrogan

Do we have anyone fast enough to actually run with Warner?

4 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

Actually, theyve both played in near identical winning percentages of around 65 percent. And both played in 5/6 winning years and 1 losing season. Their 'winning' environment is about the same but anyway.

I meant Spargo got to 100 playing so many games in a season. As a forward, he's about 100th in SI rankings. He might be an above average distributor but he doesnt do it enough clearly. Whether on him or goodwin dunno, he'saverage at best overall but out next best is well below average so he shouldnt get dropped. Tholstrup should be absolutley gunning for his spot but reports from last week were not encouraging

I think one of the things that’s important to remember with Spargo is he’s spent a fair chunk of time out of the game. The club sees his upside and clearly believe he’s worth the investment of time to get him up to his best. If he can string 12-14 solid games together then I think we’ll see continued improvement in his game. I’m a believer that he makes us better. I’m also a believer that his current output is not his ceiling and if it was I think he’d be playing at Casey. He’s a guy who will also benefit hugely from a full preseason.