4 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

Because Trac is 30 and on the decline. If GCS was to give us 6 and Flanders I’d take it and run.

Rubbish he finished 2nd in the B&F ahead of All Australian Pickett. I'd love to see if he wasn't on the decline.

18 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Why the hell do we need cap space? We finished 15th and have never replaced Brayshaw. Every team has salary cap space. Brisbane at worst could finish second and pay Allen and Draper a million each. There is no such thing as a salary cap. I don't give a flying Wahzoo about how much Petracca is paid. I want to be compensated with 2 players and a draft pick. Thilthorpe and Rachele and pick 14 if it's Adelaide. Flanders and Read or Walter and pick 6 if it's Gold Coast. We must not be short changed on the Petracca deal.

I reckon 2 players and 2 first round picks werridee

Trac shouldn’t go anywhere. New coach, new system, we’d be so stupid to let him go before making him a part of the new look Dees he is a champ and will be again. Keep him. Anyone wanting him gone has rocks in their heads.

Unless we can get overs for Petracca, he's a keeper (even if he wants out)

There's just nothing in it for us especially if he can get back to his best elsewhere (and right now, we're first in line for his best)

If he were to go, the excess created (1.4Million) in the next year's salary cap would go to whom? Remembering we have to spend it all

We'd have to bring in 2 decent players on $700k each in order to spend 100% of the cap. Who might that be and what would we have to give up to get 'said' players is anyone's guess (our first pick is in the 2nd round)

Either that or pay some of our players more money! Huh?? I'd give it all to Gawn and no one else

Have we got any free agents in mind? And if another club takes up May's contract, that's another $800k hole in the cap

So $2.2Million that would have to be spent on other players

*I'm being quite liberal with the numbers but 'roundabout'

5 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

I think the proposed deal is very good on the condition Tracs full contract is taken on and we aren't paying anything. the unseen benefit we get of clearing that much cap space would allow us to be really aggressive in free agency next year.

If Zak Butters is looking to come back to Vic next year for example we could theoretically offer a really good deal with this space open.

I tell you what won't happen? Us getting Butters because we would be on the bottom on the ladder without Trac. People wanting to give him away for nothing because he wants to leave his options open. Crazy!

For all those ‘Petracca is Brand Cancer’ types on here - how about this?

The clubs are keen to get CP5 out on the cheap because they want to get a generational talent on the cheap and ‘rehabilitate’ and then dominate within a game plan that suits him and a role that he sticks to.

And there we are off to the side - with ND19 playing Casey 2nds and some fringe player that simply is on a hiding to nothing through comparison.

I am always wary when ‘the football world’ is angling for something…

13 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Why should he go? He's contracted. If he goes for nothing. Then enjoy the spoons while Petracca is on his way to an other Norm Smith. You seriously have lost the plot.

I've lost the plot ?? lol

Firstly... I said should he go.

Where did I say we would get 'nothing' of he did.

You seem to pick and choose. Good luck.with that.

Im happy enough understanding where we really are. You're perfectly entitled to your own views. If he does decide to seek other pastures the contract is just something to be accommodated.

11 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Rubbish he finished 2nd in the B&F ahead of All Australian Pickett. I'd love to see if he wasn't on the decline.

YIKES using the BNF this year as your evidence isn’t inspiring confidence. Let’s see if he can get double digits in the Brownlow tonight.

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I've lost the plot ?? lol

Firstly... I said should he go.

Where did I say we would get 'nothing' of he did.

You seem to pick and choose. Good luck.with that.

Im happy enough understanding where we really are. You're perfectly entitled to your own views. If he does decide to seek other pastures the contract is just something to be accommodated.

You are soft. As I've already said I prey Tim.Lamb isn't like you. If he wants to leave then we get compensated handsomly or he stays as simple as that. If Lamb chooses some of the scenarios that are on here then Tim.Lamb should get the sack. He's lucky not to get the sack anyway but that would be the final straw.

4 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

YIKES using the BNF this year as your evidence isn’t inspiring confidence. Let’s see if he can get double digits in the Brownlow tonight.

Your joking aren't you? I'd take a B&F anyday of the week ahead of an umpired Brownlow. The B&F is done by coaches. The Brownlow is only set up for pure midfielders. If it wasn't Gawn would have won a brownlow by now. I can't see Gawn getting more than 15 and Pickett and Petracca having more than 10 we had a poor year.

I suspect that Tracc has perhaps just fallen out of love with professional footy in general which was perhaps signalled by him swapping his known established player agent for a person who has more experience in social media marketing and other arenas. Not criticising but just thought that maybe that might be where his head is at.

2 minutes ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

I suspect that Tracc has perhaps just fallen out of love with professional footy in general which was perhaps signalled by him swapping his known established player agent for a person who has more experience in social media marketing and other arenas. Not criticising but just thought that maybe that might be where his head is at.

Maybe. But would he bother trading clubs if that was the case?

No guarantee that he will, I havent really heard much other than speculation and I wonder whether his new agent would even be that aware at this stage? Not in the AFL bubble as such.

3 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

YIKES using the BNF this year as your evidence isn’t inspiring confidence. Let’s see if he can get double digits in the Brownlow tonight.

Didn't Terlich & Matt Jones finish 3rd & 4th in a B & F? Jordie 4th in 2012

All 3 had a go and gave their all

Of more concern was this season when Oliver finished 7th along with Viney & Rivers (both 10th) in a year best forgotten ... marked down because of their ball use, in my view

Petracca got a lot of the ball considering he played forward a lot, thus the 2nd place finish

By his own standards, he didn't have a great year but if (or when) he gets his confidence back, he can at least be a top 20 player in the league again

Right now, he's outside the top 50, in my view. And a 30yo* player outside the top 50 doesn't get 2 x First round picks. Probably not even 1 first rounder

But a keeper because the value coming back won't be enough

Pay him the money and hope that King gets the best out of him

*Petracca turns 30 in early January

3 minutes ago, Macca said:

Didn't Terlich & Matt Jones finish 3rd & 4th in a B & F? Jordie 4th in 2012

All 3 had a go and gave their all

Of more concern was this season when Oliver finished 7th along with Viney & Rivers (both 10th) in a year best forgotten ... marked down because of their ball use, in my view

Petracca got a lot of the ball considering he played forward a lot, thus the 2nd place finish

By his own standards, he didn't have a great year but if (or when) he gets his confidence back, he can at least be a top 20 player in the league again

Right now, he's outside the top 50, in my view. And a 30yo* player outside the top 50 doesn't get 2 x First round picks. Probably not even 1 first rounder

But a keeper because the value coming back won't be enough

Pay him the money and hope that King gets the best out of him

*Petracca turns 30 in early January

After you said Petracca is a keeper I thought you would make more sense than this. Comparing 2012 at our absolute worst to now ridiculous, but if you take Petracca out of the side we could be at our worst. Who is going to keep up the slack if he goes? 2nd year players in Lindsay and Langford? Petracca's not in the top 50 players he'd be close. The top 50 players on average would be your top 2 or 3 players at the club. People say he had an ordinary year. How can you say that? He finished ahead of a player who had a great year in Pickett who was All Australian. That's not easy to do. The player they should be getting rid of is Oliver but no one wants him. He's half the player Petracca is.

1 minute ago, WERRIDEE said:

After you said Petracca is a keeper I thought you would make more sense than this. Comparing 2012 at our absolute worst to now ridiculous, but if you take Petracca out of the side we could be at our worst. Who is going to keep up the slack if he goes? 2nd year players in Lindsay and Langford? Petracca's not in the top 50 players he'd be close. The top 50 players on average would be your top 2 or 3 players at the club. People say he had an ordinary year. How can you say that? He finished ahead of a player who had a great year in Pickett who was All Australian. That's not easy to do. The player they should be getting rid of is Oliver but no one wants him. He's half the player Petracca is.

Kozzie will have better years looking ahead ... and on $1Million+ per season for another 8+ years, so he should. Elite money = Elite Performances

The team had a poor year and Petracca finished 2nd as he had no real competition (apart from Kozzie)

Of the top 3, only Gawn was an absolute standout

Elite players often have elite disposal skills and if playing predominantly forward, will often kick lots of goals. And have great vision

That's the player Petracca needs to be again

And that can happen if (or when) he gets his confidence back

All in all, I can't see him moving as I can't see any club paying value that would satisfy us

And I don't believe the club wants to trade him but Petracca himself, might want to move

That's when things could get interesting

Begone #CP5!!

9 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Begone #CP5!!

Can you go?

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

Rubbish he finished 2nd in the B&F ahead of All Australian Pickett. I'd love to see if he wasn't on the decline.

can someone explain B&F to me? Is it something like 10 points for best player all the way down to 1 point for the team's 10th best player for the day? I'm not discounting the award but in a bad year/thrashing a fairly ordinary effort will be a quite hollow gong. Also a player who's consistently among the better players ( but not among best on ground) and plays every game will finishes higher with a higher rankings than the club overall has him at.

And finally how did Melbourne legend Robbie only win one B&F?!!

People who want picks for Petracca are kidding themselves. The draft goes 2 players deep Duursma and Duff-Tyler then there is a massive drop in class. This draft could be the worst of all time. Pick 6 for Gold Coast is an average pick while Adelaide's pick 14 is an ordinary pick. They should give us those picks for nothing because the chances getting a quality player are remote. That's why we need 2 quality players from either Gold Coast or Adelaide because Petracca is worth 2 quality players.

5 minutes ago, Go Ds said:

can someone explain B&F to me? Is it something like 10 points for best player all the way down to 1 point for the team's 10th best player for the day? I'm not discounting the award but in a bad year/thrashing a fairly ordinary effort will be a quite hollow gong. Also a player who's consistently among the better players ( but not among best on ground) and plays every game will finishes higher with a higher rankings than the club overall has him at.

And finally how did Melbourne legend Robbie only win one B&F?!!

I'd hate to tell you but those B&F were rigged back then. The coaches delibrately didn't give votes Flower because they wanted an unknown to win because Flower was always the favorite. They struggled to find new faces to win it that's why they gave Fowler 2 or 3 B&F's

Sorry, fellow demons, Trac just polled 16 Brownlow votes. Why on earth would any MFC supporter want to get rid of him? Tell me in any world where we would get an adequate replacement or draft pick?

The coach has stated he wants him there; he has a contract, and if I had my way, he isn't going anywhere. How about a bit of support for one of our finest and a little less hate. He ans Max look like they are having a great time at the table.

0 votes to a midfielder taking up a crazy amount of our salary cap.

Of course he has upside, as many on here argue, largely because there isn’t possibly any more downside.

1 minute ago, Older demon said:

Why on earth would any MFC supporter want to get rid of him?

Because we’ll only have a few more years of him and during that time we won’t be close to finals, if finishing 14th this year tells us anything. Time to cash out.

1 hour ago, GS_1905 said:

YIKES using the BNF this year as your evidence isn’t inspiring confidence. Let’s see if he can get double digits in the Brownlow tonight.

Well he got to 16 votes which aint bad considering how average he was this year compared to his usual standards.

You said he's on the decline. Just wondering what you're basing that on. If its due to concerns that he won't get back to his best post horrific injury last year then I totally get it. If its due to him now being in his 30's then sure I can understand that. Even if he bounced back a slow decline is always inevitable.

I just feel this year he was playing at 85% both physically/fitness wise and mentally because of what happened last year. Its pretty common that even just the rib injuries usually take 12 months to really get back to proper aerobic fitness (we saw this with Langden a few seasons ago). I think that was a big reason he played much more time forward this year (without much success unfortunately).

I've made the point a few times but I thought last year Trac was well on his way to a brownlow (or at least top 3 finish). I think he COULD have two or three more seasons playing at a very high standard and impact the team as someone like Lachie Neale has done through his early 30's. Of course he has his flaws with kicking being the obvious one where he went backwards from the better disposal he showed improvement on last year. Again how much of that is confidence in body and mind I don't know but he works on it a ton.

I don't think we're a good enough team to really, truly compete without him in the next few seasons. I hope he stays.

Edited Monday at 12:395 days by Young Blood