Just now, Mouseymoo said:

Point being if we need Kingy to "talk Tracc down from the ledge" then we show him the same grace we did a certain recent coaching applicant and not stand in the way.

We have to move past being beggars. Tracc wanted change, and by jingo, changes have happened. Do we now need to roll out another red carpet?

As long as a trade is favourable let's rip this band aid off.

You’re assuming that it’s a case of Kingy having to talk Tracc into staying. I’m guessing your assumption is based on the media reporting that Tracc wants to go to Hawthorn or Carlton or Adelaide or whatever club is next on the list and that the club is open to trading him. All this without our new coach having talked to Tracc.

4 hours ago, Demons11 said:

His value doesn’t go up after 30

Typically no, I still feel if he and Oliver continue to improve as they were at season end, we will get something better for them next year, or we may decide to keep them.

This years draft seems weak from all reports!

4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

OOoooooh that hurt but true

The last kick inside 50….

5 hours ago, john delosa said:

No one’s saying it’s Gallipoli, but the bloke still almost lost his life in the jumper. That deserves a bit more credit than a shrug.
Doesn’t matter how it happened — ruptured internal organs and nearly bleeding out isn’t exactly a bruise and a band-aid. Downplaying it is just disrespectful.

All well and good, but I don't really care to be honest. He has become a narcissist and is a very poor example for our younger players. He gets paid too much to hold our great club at ransom the way he has been last few years and he doesn't even back it up with consistent performance on the field.

Trac has become toxic for our culture, [censored] him off for pennies on the dollar for all I care.

44 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Having the steady pair of hands and hard working forward smarts of Checkers (Mihocek) will hopefully be a big impact on Tracc and the rest of the mids and forwards. King has said he wants to see more attacking fast 1 on 1 footy. So I think a clearer and fresher approach will only abet Tracc in confidently delivering it to the forwards, or having shots on goal from a lead or contested mark.

And Brody can regale him and the rest of the Petracca clan with inside stories of The Filth in their leisure time, assuaging their big club desires.

Hitting two magpies with one stone.

Terrible jumper.

Please don't post that again.

12 minutes ago, D4Life said:

Typically no, I still feel if he and Oliver continue to improve as they were at season end, we will get something better for them next year, or we may decide to keep them.

This years draft seems weak from all reports!

The draft is not necessarily weak but just doesn’t have the top end talent as last year.

5 hours ago, D4Life said:

Petracca not at his best and still rebuilding confidence off the back of injury, and wanting to leave finishes 2nd in B&F. Kossie missed 3 games, so maybe Trac ends 3rd.

Options 1:

Another season body starting from better position and new coach/environment with King and Hopefully Petracca has an even better year. Then consider trading him if he wants to leave!

2:

Vs trade now at lower value in a weak draft!

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Personally I’m keeping him in 2026 and trying to increase his value and get a pick in a stronger draft!

He’ll be another year older, I think it’s now of never. As for a stronger draft, there’s Logan Morris is every draft, we just to find him.

i agree totally with mousymoo (think that was the name).. if we get paid (picks or players) then ship him out and evolve. however, should he stay, i can imagine him receiving handballs on and hoofing it down to Roo & Mihochek (quick ball). potentially.. as he has had years to improve his kicking (for goal and inside 50) and hasn't. maybe just long bombs when the forward line is open and the oppo's defence hasn't had time to get settled is a good use of him?

According to Tracc ... any of .....

Maybe we just do a deal ?

I'm not losing sleep one way or the other

What say you Mr King ??

( it's about a team 😉 )

His body language was horrible this year, not a leader you want at the club.

3 hours ago, Smokey said:

All well and good, but I don't really care to be honest. He has become a narcissist and is a very poor example for our younger players. He gets paid too much to hold our great club at ransom the way he has been last few years and he doesn't even back it up with consistent performance on the field.

Trac has become toxic for our culture, [censored] him off for pennies on the dollar for all I care.

Ah, but you DO care. You care enough to post about it.

Tracc’s a poor example for our younger players, is he? What makes you think that? I’ve not seen that reported in the media and I’m guessing what’s reported in the media is what forms the basis of your opinion. If not the media, how else did you come to this conclusion (a conclusion which btw is incorrect).

Tracc “held our great club to ransom”? One player with such overwhelming power vs an entire club? And not just held our great club to ransom, but has been doing so for “… the last few years…” An asinine comment to put it mildly.

Keep up the hate for Tracc if that’s your wont, but maybe conjure up some valid reasons for the hate with which to replace the unfounded ones you’re currently going with.

11 hours ago, 2021 said:

If Trac goes, I think people are going to be disappointed what we get back. A couple of weeks ago, Cal T. was saying we could get a top 10 pick for him, in this bad draft, and that’s it.

Then we hold him to his contract.

30 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Ah, but you DO care. You care enough to post about it.

Tracc’s a poor example for our younger players, is he? What makes you think that? I’ve not seen that reported in the media and I’m guessing what’s reported in the media is what forms the basis of your opinion. If not the media, how else did you come to this conclusion (a conclusion which btw is incorrect).

Tracc “held our great club to ransom”? One player with such overwhelming power vs an entire club? And not just held our great club to ransom, but has been doing so for “… the last few years…” An asinine comment to put it mildly.

Keep up the hate for Tracc if that’s your wont, but maybe conjure up some valid reasons for the hate with which to replace the unfounded ones you’re currently going with.

He signed a monster contract and took a kings ransom then proceeded to act like a petulant child by exploring trades. He refuses to address media speculation and clearly isn't committed to the club. As the highest paid player on our list, this is toxic.

You don't need to agree with my opinions, but you don't get to declare them categorically wrong because regardless of how much free time you apparently have to go to training sessions, you're no more inside trac's mind than any of us.

Edited September 16Sep 16 by Smokey

13 minutes ago, Smokey said:

He signed a monster contract and took a kings ransom then proceeded to act like a petulant child by exploring trades. He refuses to address media speculation and clearly isn't committed to the club. As the highest paid player on our list, this is toxic.

You don't need to agree with my opinions, but you don't get to declare them categorically wrong because regardless of how much free time you apparently have to go to training sessions, you're no more inside trac's mind than any of us.

And you don’t need to show respect but your opinion can be called categorically wrong. That is also an opinion.

It all so pathetic how the petulant children on here forget to mention what precipitated the ‘petulant Petracca’…

A near death experience that was poorly handled by our own admission and a stagnant FD that has seen a near total broom being swept through the place with more to come when contracts are up at the end of 2026.

So I don’t really know what the f the Petracca haters are on about tbh. You think it was unfounded? Show me the receipts because everything we have done has vindicated his opinion and his actions to escape - except we pulled the trap door ourselves.

7 minutes ago, rpfc said:

And you don’t need to show respect but your opinion can be called categorically wrong. That is also an opinion.

It all so pathetic how the petulant children on here forget to mention what precipitated the ‘petulant Petracca’…

A near death experience that was poorly handled by our own admission and a stagnant FD that has seen a near total broom being swept through the place with more to come when contracts are up at the end of 2026.

So I don’t really know what the f the Petracca haters are on about tbh. You think it was unfounded? Show me the receipts because everything we have done has vindicated his opinion and his actions to escape - except we pulled the trap door ourselves.

We’ve both arrived at the same destination but took different roads to get there. Yes, we need to trade him.

This is a football club, not a family. I couldn’t care less about past mistakes, players sad feelings when the chips are down or anything other than looking forward and winning games with a team of players that are fully invested.

No one is bigger than the club, near death experience or not.

Trac was my favourite player for a long time, but I or anyone would be naive to think he is 100% committed to us. As Smokey said he has the chance to publicly state he doesn't want to go anywhere and it hasn't and will not happen until at least the trade period is over.

I'm not a believer in anyone who's not fully invested to be at the club no matter how good you are.

5 hours ago, kurtneverdied said:

Trac was my favourite player for a long time, but I or anyone would be naive to think he is 100% committed to us. As Smokey said he has the chance to publicly state he doesn't want to go anywhere and it hasn't and will not happen until at least the trade period is over.

I'm not a believer in anyone who's not fully invested to be at the club no matter how good you are.

He really needs to speak up Clarry style and put the speculation to bed

19 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Agree totally, if a player wants out then the contract should be void and negotiate with the new club $$ .. we should not have to pay any part of the contract.. very disappointing if he does want out though as he should part of the solution going fwd not jump ship, hopefully King will galvanise the group

Players have too much power, this should be included in all new contracts for players moving fwd.

12 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I still believe Trac offers more to us than what we would get in any trade. I also believe it makes no sense for us to be contemplating a trade until King and Trac have met and discussed what King sees for him in 2026, nor any sense for Trac to start looking around until he’s met King.

I don’t disagree but I think this year showed we can’t role with the same mids. I think 1 has to go to allow for a different mix. People talking about the draft being weak is not necessarily correct. It just doesn’t have the top end talent of last year but is very even.

6 hours ago, rpfc said:

So I don’t really know what the f the Petracca haters are on about tbh. You think it was unfounded? Show me the receipts because everything we have done has vindicated his opinion and his actions to escape - except we pulled the trap door ourselves.

he had a dreadful injury. no disputing that

there was a lot of talk about the medical treatment he received and whether our medical team were negligent/incompetent. I happen to know the current head medic at an AFL club. He said no way could he fault the medical team for their response.

so what did we do exactly that vindicated his desire to leave. Roffey didn't show him enough love or pay a visit to the hospital?

6 hours ago, Smokey said:

We’ve both arrived at the same destination but took different roads to get there. Yes, we need to trade him.

This is a football club, not a family. I couldn’t care less about past mistakes, players sad feelings when the chips are down or anything other than looking forward and winning games with a team of players that are fully invested.

No one is bigger than the club, near death experience or not.

Who is we?

I would tell him he is going nowhere so get your agent to ready some quotes about wanting to stay.

And what a callous bloody outlook you have. Footy may be a business but how you treat people and care for them is literally what the people that turned this footy club around preached for years.

Paul Roos made a brand out of it and we have so abandoned that ‘care’ that we don’t even know what makes a good club anymore.

Let’s hope Guerra, King, Smith, and whoever replaces Richardson give a flying f.

12 hours ago, Smokey said:

All well and good, but I don't really care to be honest. He has become a narcissist and is a very poor example for our younger players. He gets paid too much to hold our great club at ransom the way he has been last few years and he doesn't even back it up with consistent performance on the field.

Trac has become toxic for our culture, [censored] him off for pennies on the dollar for all I care.

Calling a bloke who almost died wearing our jumper ‘toxic’ is cheap. Easy to sit behind a keyboard and forget he’s carried this side through games where others went missing, and finished 2nd in the B&F only a few weeks ago. If that’s ‘not backing it up,’ then half the comp should be ashamed. Trade him for pennies? That’s how you destroy culture, not save it. Respect goes both ways.

Demonland, might be worth looking into Oliver. On 3AW rumour file, he’s been seen meeting with Carlton personnel and might be on the move..

I think the notion of club loyalty - playing for the jumper and all that rah rah stuff - is worth interrogating.

First, the culture when one played for his/her suburb and the jumper was tattooed to the back is long gone. Clubs treat the players as ‘livestock’ to trade at will when they perceive gains are to be made. Coaches are sacked at will - I didn’t want Goodwin in the first place but he was poorly dealt with in the end. New Presidents and CEOs who have no history of supporting the club (for example, Roffey, Pert) swan in because of some corporate network connections and suddenly pretend they are ‘Dees for Life’. I could go on.

Second, I wonder how many people on this forum who are denigrating Christian Petracca have had the scale of internal injuries that he incurred during that Collingwood encounter? It was a serious injury to multiple parts of his body and he would have been in agonising pain. But he still, ill advisedly, went back on to play in his No 5 jumper which I suggest tells you about his commitment. Then he was hospitalised and in serious condition and the ‘Dee for Life’ President couldn’t even be bothered communicating with him as I understand. Commitment goes two ways.

I do think that he needs to adapt to the new style of game and improve his kicking - perhaps by taking more time - and that might justify swapping him to another club. But justifying getting ‘rid of him’ because he is arrogant and doesn’t love the jumper is a preposterous sentiment in this modern age where the love of $s and image outstrips everything. He is just part of that culture that dominates the sport.