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21 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks Wheelo from those stats we should win but our lousy kicking says NO.

Expected score says we win by 1 point.

Conceding 67 points from defensive half says we didn’t deserve to win because we didn’t apply pressure and didn’t work hard enough.

Melbourne v St Kilda (Round 12, 2025)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20251206

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter

For

Agn

Diff

1

159

160

-1

2

174

152

+22

3

180

188

-8

4

132

161

-29

Match

162

167

-5

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player

Pressure
Acts

Pressure
Points

Season
Average

Trent Rivers

17

44

30.7

Xavier Lindsay

18

36

27.6

Christian Salem

13

36

21.2

Kade Chandler

14

32

33.2

Ed Langdon

13

31

31.2

Tom Sparrow

11

30

37.4

Clayton Oliver

9

26

52.1

Max Gawn

9

26

21.5

Aidan Johnson

10

24

28.8

Jake Bowey

9

23

28.7

Harvey Langford

13

23

21.3

Daniel Turner

12

23

16.2

Bayley Fritsch

9

22

20.5

Harry Sharp

11

22

19.8

Kysaiah Pickett

9

21

36.8

Harrison Petty

9

20

18.3

Jake Melksham

11

19

20.1

Caleb Windsor

8

17

23.4

Jake Lever

10

17

19.5

Christian Petracca

7

14

34.9

Judd McVee

5

10

16.8

Steven May

4

10

9.9

Bailey Laurie

4

6

6.0

Source: Herald Sun

 

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14 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

@WheeloRatings can you please contextualise those numbers? How does our 162 rank this year and under Goodwin? And what about the fourth quarter 132?

They said on the fox coverage that:

  • our lastquarter pressure rating wasr the lowest pressure rating in a quarter EVER under goody

  • The average for the game the fith lowest under goody

By the by, I suspect that the majority of top 10 pressure rating under goody would be within two weeks either side of of our mid season bye.

Edited by binman

On 31/05/2025 at 10:56, WheeloRatings said:

By my calculations, across the first nine rounds Petracca had 47 kicks inside 50 with one resulting in a mark for a teammate. Through 11 rounds, he is three from 58 with two of his kicks against Brisbane being marked.

Here are the Melbourne players with 15+ kicks inside 50, sorted by mark percentage and then retention percentage.

Kicks inside 50 resulting in a mark, 2025, 15+ kicks
Note: includes all kicks where possession was taken outside 50, the kick was taken from outside 50, and the next possession was inside 50.

Rank

Player

Kicks

Mark

%

2

Charlie Spargo

18

9

50.0%

12

Christian Salem

21

8

38.1%

20

Kysaiah Pickett

28

10

35.7%

36

Jake Melksham

25

8

32.0%

70

Trent Rivers

27

7

25.9%

74

Jack Viney

28

7

25.0%

86

Caleb Windsor

25

6

24.0%

103

Kade Chandler

27

6

22.2%

129

Harvey Langford

25

5

20.0%

164

Xavier Lindsay

18

3

16.7%

233

Clayton Oliver

27

3

11.1%

236

Ed Langdon

28

3

10.7%

249

Jake Bowey

24

2

8.3%

253

Max Gawn

27

2

7.4%

267

Christian Petracca

58

3

5.2%

269

Tom Sparrow

22

1

4.5%

275

Harrison Petty

15

0

0.0%

Kicks inside 50 resulting in a possession being retained by the team, 2025, 15+ kicks
Note: includes all kicks where possession was taken outside 50, the kick was taken from outside 50, and the next possession was inside 50.

Rank

Player

Kicks

Retained

%

28

Kysaiah Pickett

28

17

60.7%

30

Jake Melksham

25

15

60.0%

46

Kade Chandler

27

15

55.6%

46

Charlie Spargo

18

10

55.6%

78

Christian Salem

21

11

52.4%

87

Jake Bowey

24

12

50.0%

114

Max Gawn

27

13

48.1%

139

Ed Langdon

28

13

46.4%

162

Caleb Windsor

25

11

44.0%

162

Harvey Langford

25

11

44.0%

192

Tom Sparrow

22

9

40.9%

195

Trent Rivers

27

11

40.7%

206

Jack Viney

28

11

39.3%

240

Harrison Petty

15

5

33.3%

259

Christian Petracca

58

18

31.0%

261

Clayton Oliver

27

8

29.6%

275

Xavier Lindsay

18

4

22.2%

Thanks so much for doing this. Much appreciated. Really valuable information. I assume Goody and the team have this. Wonder what the worst culprits think of this and what if anything arw rhwy trying to do about it.

24 minutes ago, binman said:

They said on the fox coverage that:

  • our lastquarter pressure rating wasr the lowest pressure rating in a quarter EVER under goody

  • The average for the game the fith lowest under goody

By the by, I suspect that the majority of top 10 pressure rating under goody would be within two weeks either side of of our mid season bye.

I wonder what the mentality is here. Do they just know they have lost and have effectively just given up. It has become quite the pattern of late.

 

Uncontested possessions vs St Kilda - 177

Against Sydney - 244

Did we forget how to share the ball yesterday?

And the amount of wasted long kicks forward today was a reminder that old habits die hard. We kept handing the ball back to the Saints with rushed kicks forward

By contrast, the Saints often hung on to the ball until they saw an opening

17 more inside 50 entries against St Kilda, yet our goal kicking effiency was off the charts, woeful

There is barely a player who looks confident kicking for goal (when we're having a bad day) Other days we are fine. Jekyll and Hyde

We were outplayed today but we still could have won the game if we'd kicked straight

Edited by Macca

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Goals per qtr is the top row

As far as I could accurately count :P
Here is all our qtrs since Goodwin took over, 1 goal qtrs are well up this year, for me the interesting qtrs are the 3-4 goal qts, thats where you keep the scoreboard ticking and already having 7 games where we have score more points than goals is bad, but ironically he worst year was 21 when we won the flag, but that was also 3 more games.

Not sure if this is helpful, interesting etc
But maybe someone will enjoy it :)

Edited by Gorgoroth


9 hours ago, Watson11 said:

@WheeloRatings I noticed the Saints only had 2 forward half scoring chains? Do you know if any team has ever had that few, let alone won the game?

I only have data from 2021 onwards, but in that time there have been four instances of two or fewer forward half scoring chains:

1.0 - St Kilda v Western Bulldogs, R10 2021
0.2 - GWS v Brisbane, R18 2022
1.1 - Essendon v GWS, R23 2023
2.0 - St Kilda v Melbourne, R12 2025

33 minutes ago, WheeloRatings said:

I only have data from 2021 onwards, but in that time there have been four instances of two or fewer forward half scoring chains:

1.0 - St Kilda v Western Bulldogs, R10 2021
0.2 - GWS v Brisbane, R18 2022
1.1 - Essendon v GWS, R23 2023
2.0 - St Kilda v Melbourne, R12 2025

Wow. Those other three games resulted in an average losing margin of 92.3 points!

Round 12, 2025 TIO Traeger Park - Demons vs Saints

Not sure how you go from putting up your best statistical game in over 2 years last week, to absolute batshiiite bad the next! Yet here we are. Something in the water perhaps? Maybe too much bathing!

Alot of horror negative results vs 2024 Ratings. Remembering that 2024 wasn't exactly our finest hour to start with so anything significantly negative here should (for the most part with maybe a few exceptions eg; rookies) be considered a major horribilis performance both from an individual and team perspective.

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Player & Team Ratings - Demons

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> Subbed out TOG %

> Subbed in TOG %

Player & Team Ratings - Saints

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Combined Player Ratings

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Stats courtesy of footywire.com and wheeloratings.com

Edited by Demon Dynasty

On 02/06/2025 at 11:29, Macca said:

Uncontested possessions vs St Kilda - 177

Against Sydney - 244

Did we forget how to share the ball yesterday?

And the amount of wasted long kicks forward today was a reminder that old habits die hard. We kept handing the ball back to the Saints with rushed kicks forward

By contrast, the Saints often hung on to the ball until they saw an opening

17 more inside 50 entries against St Kilda, yet our goal kicking effiency was off the charts, woeful

There is barely a player who looks confident kicking for goal (when we're having a bad day) Other days we are fine. Jekyll and Hyde

We were outplayed today but we still could have won the game if we'd kicked straight

Not putting this solely on this player and it was SG's choice to go down this route. Nonetheless, has OUR new game style (attempted and still a WIP) gone past Lever!??

T-Mac fitting into it beautifully imho. Lever doesn't really have the skill set to execute what is seemingly required under the new method / style? I'm not suggesting T-Mac is a long-term answer either. But for now, he is def the preferred one of the two IF we assume (rightly or wrongly) they're both vying for pretty much the same position / role in the team.

Edited by Demon Dynasty

2 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 12, 2025 TIO Traeger Park - Demons vs Saints

Not sure how you go from putting up your best statistical game in over 2 years last week, to absolute batshiiite bad the next! Yet here we are. Something in the water perhaps? Maybe too much bathing!

Alot of horror negative results vs 2024 Ratings. Remembering that 2024 wasn't exactly our finest hour to start with so anything significantly negative here should (for the most part with maybe a few exceptions eg; rookies) be considered a major horribilis performance both from an individual and team perspective.

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Player & Team Ratings - Demons

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> Subbed out TOG %

> Subbed in TOG %

Player & Team Ratings - Saints

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Combined Player Ratings

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Stats courtesy of footywire.com and wheeloratings.com

Thanks DD we were statistically as poor as we looked, we made the Saints look like a champion team and yet we could have still won the game had we kicked straight, how crazy is that.


Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 12, 2025 vs H&A Season 2024

Even after dropping away on his prior few weeks ratings, Tracc just scrapes ahead of Bowey taking 3rd place after a few relatively quite games from the defender (vs earlier stellar form anyway).

Lever and Sparrow on the nose so far this season. Tracc still struggling to find and maintain the form he showed to this point last season. Albeit his performances are still a notch above many, even at lessor levels (for him), whilst occasionally blitzing or matching 2024 levels in some matches (so far).

I'd be getting T-Mac back in for Lever from this week. And consider trialing Sesto for Sparrow for at least a block of three matches post the bye.

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* Played less than two full matches

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited by Demon Dynasty

On 04/06/2025 at 19:49, Demon Dynasty said:

Not putting this solely on this player and it was SG's choice to go down this route. Nonetheless, has OUR new game style (attempted and still a WIP) gone past Lever!??

T-Mac fitting into it beautifully imho. Lever doesn't really have the skill set to execute what is seemingly required under the new method / style? I'm not suggesting T-Mac is a long-term answer either. But for now, he is def the preferred one of the two IF we assume (rightly or wrongly) they're both vying for pretty much the same position / role in the team.

As a team, we were not switched on. A lack of teamwork around the stoppages and between the arcs

What we displayed against Freo, Lions & Swans wasn't on show in the Alice

I lost count of how many long kicks forward led to negligible results. And of course, our kicking for goal was woeful

Old habits die hard

Edited by Macca

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