PRESEASON TRAINING: Friday 24th January 2025

[Redleg 41,962]

5 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Another question. If you put a player on the LTI and then the original player returns can you keep the add on on your list in any capacity or are they delisted?

I may have this wrong, but just read AFL Rule 26 re LTI and it seems only Rookie possibly Category B players can be uplifted to the Primary list and it doesn't say anything about that Rookie being replaced on the Rookie list by an unlisted player.

LTI is a minimum 6 weeks and if fit again,  uplifted Rookie or another player on the Primary list goes down to the Rookie list.

It is confusing.

Edited January 26 by Redleg

[Lucifers Hero 40,524]

3 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

Does anyone know how to determine if a player is eligible to be placed on the long term injury list?

I know of a player in a suburban competition who had surgery on his Achilles late last year and was told he could be out of sport for 12 months so being over 30 years old, he decided to retire.

Charlie’s surgery happened in July last year. If he was also looking at a 12 month return date, would that be sufficient for him to be put on the LTI?

 

3 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Another question. If you put a player on the LTI and then the original player returns can you keep the add on on your list in any capacity or are they delisted?

I'm assuming these questions relate to signing Roy George as an SSP.

As I understand it if a player goes onto the LTI and the list spot is filled by a 'new' player via the SSP or mid-season draft the LTI cannot return to play in the season.

I don't think there is anything that says that 'new' player is to be delisted - he can be offered a contract eg Luke Kentfield replacing Gus.

Regarding Spargo, I think his injury was in 2023 and he missed all of 2024 with an archilles issue.  imv Charlie deserves the chance to play for his spot and a new contract as he is OOC this year.   The club played him in round 1 2024 on no preseason risking more injury.

 

I've mentioned elsewhere, if we wanted George we should have kept a list spot for him; we knew his talents as he played for Casey.  I would love to seem him signed on but if there is no list spot it is our own fault.

Edited January 26 by Lucifers Hero

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10 hours ago, Tolstoys Nudge said:

That’s not a jinx mate — that’s celebrating a guy being finally fit and maybe getting a chance to show his wares! Jinx would be to say he’s guaranteed to play 20 games and dominate.. but I’m not gonna hold back how exciting it is to see him, Clarry, Billings all look so fit & chomping at the bit! It’s a serious game-changer if they stay fit & confident.

as per my earlier post the kids are coming so comp for spots is gonna be a massive part to how our year goes

 

 

I hope he hits the ground running for us TN, i know what he can produce from watching Crows games.

Did f all for us last season for whatever reason he didn't hit the ground running last pre season.

Let's see him playing good footy in the red and blue before we start celebrating his brilliance in pre season and showering him with praise.

Can understand your optimise though, hopefully he can put it all together.

Not having a go at you in any way shape or form @Tolstoys Nudge

Just want him and us to be flying under the radar this season.

 

[58er 6,820]

On 24/01/2025 at 18:29, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Gee he was moving well…. If we can get a full season out of him that would be a huge bonus

Should be on slightly reduced bunch of games early on ie managed to ensure full season of fitness if he is full on form early in the season.

Some )have doubted his ability ( like those questioning Jeffo)

On 24/01/2025 at 21:13, Dee Boys said:

Haha they’re both about to turn 30! They’re not getting any better, they are what they are. The ones we need to really kick on and make a difference are those in the 22-25 bracket like Sparrow, JVR, McVee, Rivers etc.

You are right but really 30 in a medium/small is not a finish year for career and both deserve a second/third season to absolutely find their best form. Sport is a fickle beast and don’t write off anyone due to age. 

[58er 6,820]

On 24/01/2025 at 19:57, Go Ds said:

Who knows? But people tend to write players off too quickly. If McAdam is fitter or Billings either realises this is his last chance or something else clicks for him they will be more valuable.

Yes Old Dee fails to realize that after ONE season ends the next one is not guaranteed to be the same especially with young developing players and new recruits. 

Has virtually written off for the 2025 season McAdam Jefferson Billings Fullerton and Verrall. 

Yes 2024 season was not great but reasons for this and it would be great if the first 3 especially had improved seasons then our list depth would be much improved. 

[58er 6,820]

12 hours ago, Go Ds said:

I met a guy who was friends with Max at primary school. He said back then he was a very ordinary footballer. 

AS I have said if OD was a selector or Coach we would not have Gawny at all after about 2/3 seasons and gee I reckon Trac might have been in trouble at the end of 2019!!! 
 

[58er 6,820]

11 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

 

I'm assuming these questions relate to signing Roy George as an SSP.

As I understand it if a player goes onto the LTI and the list spot is filled by a 'new' player via the SSP or mid-season draft the LTI cannot return to play in the season.

I don't think there is anything that says that 'new' player is to be delisted - he can be offered a contract eg Luke Kentfield replacing Gus.

Regarding Spargo, I think his injury was in 2023 and he missed all of 2024 with an archilles issue.  imv Charlie deserves the chance to play for his spot and a new contract as he is OOC this year.   The club played him in round 1 2024 on no preseason risking more injury.

 

I've mentioned elsewhere, if we wanted George we should have kept a list spot for him; we knew his talents as he played for Casey.  I would love to seem him signed on but if there is no list spot it is our own fault.

Should not have resigned Marty Hore so early and had easy enough time to place Roy on our list if followed that time frame. A panic selection like how we shelved Young Mac Andrew’s brother with either Hore or Mentha. Needed a CHB or FB recruit more than Ricky really and definitely Marty as he is 10 years older!!! 

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20 hours ago, stinga said:

Yeah I don't know why they haven't given him time as a key defender.  He is probably the only one who has the bulk in the Casey side to take over May's spot if he becomes injured, now that Thommo has gone.  All the other defenders at Casey are lightly framed.

Not only is it Will's height but you watch Max run his opposition off the park every week.  If Will bulks up too much he won't be able to keep up

i forget where did thommo end up

[Roost it far 9,635]

1 hour ago, 58er said:

Should not have resigned Marty Hore so early and had easy enough time to place Roy on our list if followed that time frame. A panic selection like how we shelved Young Mac Andrew’s brother with either Hore or Mentha. Needed a CHB or FB recruit more than Ricky really and definitely Marty as he is 10 years older!!! 

Tend to agree

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14 hours ago, Go Ds said:

I met a guy who was friends with Max at primary school. He said back then he was a very ordinary footballer. 

Primary school,good grief not good age to judge a player I heard RDB didnt go to primary school

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51 minutes ago, forever demons said:

i forget where did thommo end up

I don't actually know where he ended up either...I know we delisted him but did he end up anywhere else?

[DistrACTION Jackson 10,245]

20 minutes ago, Young Angus said:

I don't actually know where he ended up either...I know we delisted him but did he end up anywhere else?

Don’t think anyone picked him up

[Go the Biff 3,457]

8 hours ago, Young Angus said:

I don't actually know where he ended up either...I know we delisted him but did he end up anywhere else?

Still without a club.....at any level 

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19 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

Still without a club.....at any level 

Geez that's a bit steep, he's pretty decent.

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On 27/01/2025 at 08:35, forever demons said:

Primary school,good grief not good age to judge a player I heard RDB didnt go to primary school

I'm only relaying what the guy said. It's still amusing given Gawn may now be in our best ever players.

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On 26/01/2025 at 13:35, Sydee said:

John Nicholls had a backside that was the size of the goal square - he would t make an AFL the way the game is played now imho 

Back to Will Verrall I was really upbeat about him after his first pre season practice game (albeit just a cameo) but he hasn’t really progressed the way I’d expected - he just doesn’t seem to have the spring he appeared to have and without that I tend to agree with others that he will struggle to be competitive as a ruckman. I would like to see him trial at Casey as a KPP and see if he can hold a position down there 

Do we even have a ruck coach?

The absolute last thing I would do to win a hit out is to stand next to the modern day equivalent of Mick Nolan – the “galloping gasometer”.

TC might be a nice bloke, but it appears that Verrall is always standing on the left side, being held down by somebody with 30+ more pre-seasons, and not using any of his leap.

Say what you like about Stafford, at least they practised jumping for the ball.

Looks like they have now put him on the injury list. Probably due to being the only one left potentially able to wrestle probably the strongest guy in the AFL.

Just seems a bit stupid, and not really teaching him anything.

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15 minutes ago, DiscoStu17 said:

Do we even have a ruck coach?

The absolute last thing I would do to win a hit out is to stand next to the modern day equivalent of Mick Nolan – the “galloping gasometer”.

TC might be a nice bloke, but it appears that Verrall is always standing on the left side, being held down by somebody with 30+ more pre-seasons, and not using any of his leap.

Say what you like about Stafford, at least they practised jumping for the ball.

Looks like they have now put him on the injury list. Probably due to being the only one left potentially able to wrestle probably the strongest guy in the AFL.

Just seems a bit stupid, and not really teaching him anything.

Will Verrall needs to work out ways to beat Tom Campbell. If he can’t do that at training he’s no chance of taking on the best rucks.

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14 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Will Verrall needs to work out ways to beat Tom Campbell. If he can’t do that at training he’s no chance of taking on the best rucks.

All I’m saying is that would normally be done in consultation with a coach - someone experienced like a former player who was skilled in this position. 
The general skill level of ruckmen has fallen off a cliff in recent years - that’s why they all seem to be 210cm with low skills. 
If the club can’t provide that then he needs to see who he can buy some coffees for - Moore, Madden, Newman etc.

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On 27/01/2025 at 06:43, 58er said:

Should not have resigned Marty Hore so early and had easy enough time to place Roy on our list if followed that time frame. A panic selection like how we shelved Young Mac Andrew’s brother with either Hore or Mentha. Needed a CHB or FB recruit more than Ricky really and definitely Marty as he is 10 years older!!! 

"panic selection"...really? You mean the professional recruiters and list managers who watch all these players for years leading up to any trade period and draft? Clearly Lamb and Taylor decided that for whatever reason the players chosen were better suited to our needs than the ones that were not. 

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13 minutes ago, DiscoStu17 said:

All I’m saying is that would normally be done in consultation with a coach - someone experienced like a former player who was skilled in this position. 
The general skill level of ruckmen has fallen off a cliff in recent years - that’s why they all seem to be 210cm with low skills. 
If the club can’t provide that then he needs to see who he can buy some coffees for - Moore, Madden, Newman etc.

I think the coaching issue actually comes back to the soft cap reductions the AFL implemented in 2020 due to Covid. They've never returned these to what they were before from my understanding.

Given there is generally only one specialised ruck on each team and a part time back up, it is hard to justify using the cap on a full time ruck coach when the Mids, Forwards and Backs coaches are probably more important.

I get what you're saying, I guess with Gawn and Campbell on our list we probably view them as player/coaches.