12 minutes ago, deegirl said:

It’s giving massive Jeremy Howe vibes. And just like him I can see McVee changing clubs and still playing the same lock down defender role

And then Freo claiming that they’ve ’unearthed the lockdown defender in him’

31 minutes ago, Macca said:

With a Match Committee which has allowed the players to rule the roost

Also, not getting the best out of the 'said' players

Management was the issue, right across the board

Pres sacked, CEO sacked, Coach sacked, FD dismantled, a clueless MC and all sorts of issues at Board level etc etc

Who would want to play in that environment?

If he wasn't getting to play the role he wanted, I would have thought all those sackings you listed might have caused him to think again about wanting to go. Things would be different than they were when he was [censored] off. There's more to it than our club's alledged incompetence.

I still reserve the right to boo him

16 minutes ago, Deestar9 said:

I really don’t get all the vitriol you post about the club

More like truth-telling

How can anyone be happy about a 16 loss season with hardly any injuries?

Were you not disappointed and if so, who do you hold to account?

Is it all McVee's fault because on reading this thread, one might jump to that conclusion?

As previously stated, he's just a consequence, not the root cause

Edited 16 hours ago16 hr by Macca

7 minutes ago, sue said:

If he wasn't getting to play the role he wanted, I would have thought all those sackings you listed might have caused him to think again about wanting to go. Things would be different than they were when he was [censored] off. There's more to it than our club's alledged incompetence.

You're right so it's the sum of all the parts? In such an environment, you'll lose people

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32 minutes ago, Macca said:

It's no good scapegoating McVee

He's the least of our issues but a good example of consequences

I think there’s merit in the preferred position stuff, but at the same time 2 back pocket options in Hore and AMW got injured and Howes who was expected to improve and own the spot didn’t. So there were a few things conspiring against Judd playing back flank last year that could be fixed quickly.

I suspect the bigger reason he’s gone is because Freo have laid out a clear path to finals footy for the next 5 or so years. They are so well placed to consistently be in the top 4 hunt.

Meanwhile we aren’t. Some of which is natural regression after a run at the top. Guys like May, Gawn, Viney, Salem are slowing down no matter what and others like Lever have had repeat injuries.

But there’s no doubt some of that decline is just poor management across the entire club. It’s disappointing a player plucked from the rookie list doesn’t show more loyalty. He was picked from obscurity and found himself a key cog in a contending top 4 side, even if just for a year.

It’s particularly annoying after we’ve changed the board, ceo, coach, most assistants. We didn’t exactly need Judd to go to highlight the need for change!

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think there’s merit in the preferred position stuff, but at the same time 2 back pocket options in Hore and AMW got injured and Howes who was expected to improve and own the spot didn’t. So there were a few things conspiring against Judd playing back flank last year that could be fixed quickly.

I suspect the bigger reason he’s gone is because Freo have laid out a clear path to finals footy for the next 5 or so years. They are so well placed to consistently be in the top 4 hunt.

Meanwhile we aren’t. Some of which is natural regression after a run at the top. Guys like May, Gawn, Viney, Salem are slowing down no matter what and others like Lever have had repeat injuries.

But there’s no doubt some of that decline is just poor management across the entire club. It’s disappointing a player plucked from the rookie list doesn’t show more loyalty. He was picked from obscurity and found himself a key cog in a contending top 4 side, even if just for a year.

It’s particularly annoying after we’ve changed the board, ceo, coach, most assistants. We didn’t exactly need Judd to go to highlight the need for change!

Loyalty is a 2-way street and sometimes looking after no.1 comes to the fore

I don't feel that McVee owes us anything especially with all the goings-on happening at the club

The club is trying to turf out Oliver & May whilst Petracca and Spargo want out

Others are tied to decent contracts on very good money so it's stay and take the cash in those scenarios

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2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Loyalty is a 2-way street and sometimes looking after no.1 comes to the fore

I don't feel that McVee owes us anything especially with all the goings-on happening at the club

The club is trying to turf out Oliver & May whilst Petracca and Spargo want out

Others are tied to decent contracts on very good money so it's stay and take the cash in those scenarios

I dont think either owe either. Is what it is.

That said... a little honesty goes a long way 😉

I think we may have to shuffle some people around or look at recruiting a lockdown defender/half back this trade period. AMW while is promising is by no means a proven player, Rivers will likely be required more in the midifield, Judd is going, Salem is 30. That leaves Bowey. I think we need to go hard at someone, I believe we may be looking at CJ from Hawthorn (just putting 2 and 2 together, I'm not certain on this.)

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I dont think either owe either. Is what it is.

That said... a little honesty goes a long way 😉

They all lie .... footy is full of lies

More like tell them what they want to hear

Edited 16 hours ago16 hr by Macca

1 minute ago, Macca said:

I don't feel that McVee owes us anything especially with all the goings-on happening at the club

The club is trying to turf our Oliver & May whilst Petracca and Spargo want out

Tracc is doing Tracc. Tim Lamb seemed delighted Spargo got a great deal at North. Oliver and May getting the push out - for a raft of reasons but also to open space in the team for young players.

It’s very reflective of the need for change (and in itself is the change) but not that the place is a disaster.

If it were going that badly I don’t think we’d have been able to draft a rookie like Judd and turn him in to a very competent afl player. One who could’ve been part of a good young crop already coming through.

Loyalty is tricky because obviously each year clubs have no loyalty to the 10 or so they delist. But at the same time it’s actually better for players, teams, the comp in general if guys stick around. The US sports model of aggressive roster turnover isn’t healthy for anyone. And especially in the NBA it’s ended up with a heap of tanking teams that’s impacted the league financially.

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

They all lie .... footy is full of lies

More like tell them what they want to hear

Some better than others

13 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

1. Given how worthless 38 is, walking him to the PSD would amount to the same outcome. So in our case may just be an option.

   This is where the AFL needs to provide some type of compensation I can’t believe this loophole has not been covered already. Nevertheless we make sure Freo don’t get him and that is worth the sacrifice.

2. If WC didn’t take him, Richmond or North might and McVee would probably want to avoid that outcome and hence chose to say with us.

3. Even getting pick 12 doesn’t feel like a victory. I’d rather Freo offer a F1 - I quite enjoyed the Freo death ride in 2024.

Agree with all the above. If old mate Silvani is worth pick 19, then Judd is worth 12. We'd actually be better off if he was a free agent. But he isn't, so pay up Freo or F off.

12 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Some better than others

Do people here honestly think that McVee is going to tell the truth to a member of the public?

And the club would have had a fair inkling that he might have been on the move

Edited 15 hours ago15 hr by Macca

2 hours ago, Roost it far said:

That goes both ways. Offer us something decent so we don’t laugh in their faces next time we hold the whip hand.

I mean they clearly are otherwise they would’ve offered 33 outright and not budged. It’ll be a pick in the 20s and that will be considered his worth given he’s ooc

41 minutes ago, Macca said:

Do people here honestly think that McVee is going to tell the truth to a member of the public?

And the club would have had a fair inkling that he might have been on the move

Wasn't talking about the public.

I get the feeling he may not have been totally straight up with us ( mfc ).

That said despite any guff that emanated later in dont think the club was quite as surprised as it made our. I mean...player won't sign🤷‍♂️ player won't sign for 18 months 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄

He's going... so be it.

Someone else gets a medal 😉

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Judd reckons players rule the roost, and he wants out.

But Judd also reckons he has the right to demand from his coach where he plays.

So he too, is trying to rule the roost.

The ironing is delicious.

23 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

I don’t think it’s that bad. Judds departure is just a move back home that was probably accelerated by his time under goody. In all likelihood, it would have eventually happened.

3 hours ago, No10 said:

Judd is talented player with the aspirations and work ethic to do incredibly well. If the club feels misled, his management should take a decent part of the blame. But he’s a young guy, life changes minute to minute at that age.

It still baffles me that @doomsday dee was so convinced his attraction to Freo is for a positional opportunity and yet they spoke yesterday about Judd being a great “lockdown defender”…

Hopefully Freo really do rate him and make offers accordingly

They said that they know he can play lock but want him as a attacking half back and some wing time

17 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Wasn't talking about the public.

I get the feeling he may not have been totally straight up with us ( mfc ).

That said despite any guff that emanated later in dont think the club was quite as surprised as it made our. I mean...player won't sign🤷‍♂️ player won't sign for 18 months 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄

He's going... so be it.

Someone else gets a medal 😉

So McVee doesn't sign the contract and then ends up out of contract and wants a move

Yet Lamb is surprised and blindsided?

Wtf did he expect?

And if Lamb caves in and we accept unders for Petracca & Oliver are we going to call Lamb a liar? Will he also accept unders for McVee?

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by Macca

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Well, according to "definitely not his dad", he was lied to by Goody about his role, and he doesn't trust that King won't push him back to defend if we have injuries.

So yes he very much wants what he wants, and doesn't think he can get it at Melbourne. Freo, known for their honesty, success, and ability to get the best out of players, has obviously signed him to a contract that stipulates that he must never defend deep again.

I mean if you play for a side that's finished 14th twice in a row, and you can't crack a spot in the side that you want, maybe you are part of the problem.

But to each their own.

A bit like Gawn then,who pushed out Grundy.Viney who black mails the club about maybe going to the Roos,Salem would switch players so he didn't play last line of defence.Kosie saying he's going back home but when the money comes out is suddenly OK.Trak just being the brand before team.team.team.no wonder the team is a rubble,hopefully King brings out team first

I'd be asking for 12 & 44 for Judd, 27 & 41. Equates to around pick 27 (on the draft pick index), which seems about right. Helps us move up with our current first pick, while they don't move back a heap.

16 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I'd be asking for 12 & 44 for Judd, 27 & 41. Equates to around pick 27 (on the draft pick index), which seems about right. Helps us move up with our current first pick, while they don't move back a heap.

Agree, with the PSD threat perfectly placed with WC we need to be getting 12 or F1 in the deal with something back to Freo.

1 minute ago, doomsday dee said:

A bit like Gawn then,who pushed out Grundy.Viney who black mails the club about maybe going to the Roos,Salem would switch players so he didn't play last line of defence.Kosie saying he's going back home but when the money comes out is suddenly OK.Trak just being the brand before team.team.team.no wonder the team is a rubble,hopefully King brings out team first

Comparing Judd to any of the above players is laughable

Nobody wants the players to run the show, especially when said players have achieved SFA

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

Comparing Judd to any of the above players is laughable

Nobody wants the players to run the show, especially when said players have achieved SFA

Not comparing at all,just bringing up that most Melbourne players are all about them,until that gets sorted it will be another wasted year

32 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I'd be asking for 12 & 44 for Judd, 27 & 41. Equates to around pick 27 (on the draft pick index), which seems about right. Helps us move up with our current first pick, while they don't move back a heap.

I highly doubt that pick 12 will come into the equation. Happy to be wrong