On 29/08/2024 at 10:52, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes it’s been another Tim Lamb deal. McAdam. 3 year contract.  Cannot kick 35 metres. Cannot chase. Cannot tackle. No second efforts.  Can kick a mercurial snap goal.  Can take a 1 in 10 screamer attempt.  

Is there a massive disconnect between Lamb and Goodwin? All of the players we've recruited since the flag either can't get a game or are off the list altogether.

31 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

His failure to kick from 40 metres out was staggering in his brief appearances with us.

I recall he nailed a shot on the boundary at Kardinia Park in 2022 or 2023 where the 50 meets the boundary line. One of the toughest kicks in footy. 

I'm not giving up hope, but if he's in and out of rehab again all summer, then it will be 2024 all over again.

Can only hope he was unfit/injured this year. His lack of penetration when kicking was is a real concern. Spargo would kick further. 

28 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Is there a massive disconnect between Lamb and Goodwin? All of the players we've recruited since the flag either can't get a game or are off the list altogether.

We've been playing moneyball the last few seasons. Not h ad the cap space to attract serious talent, hence Hunter, McAdam, Schache, Billings, etc speculative & inexpensive

Grundy wouldn't have been an option if not for the Pies paying 50%

We made an error.

11 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Can only hope he was unfit/injured this year. His lack of penetration when kicking was is a real concern. Spargo would kick further. 

We've been playing moneyball the last few seasons. Not h ad the cap space to attract serious talent, hence Hunter, McAdam, Schache, Billings, etc speculative & inexpensive

Grundy wouldn't have been an option if not for the Pies paying 50%

Not great list management from us if we left ourselves in a spot where we couldn't attract anything that could have made us better.

If you want to chase dynasties you have to add to what you already have. See Richmond with Lynch and Hawthorn with Lake and Frawley.

We've lost a lot more than we've added over the past few years.

Edited September 4, 20241 yr by KozzyCan

We backed ourselves to get him fit, which I always thought was strange when even Burgess couldn't do that at Adelaide.

Ultimately at almost 30, it seems very unlikely that he will ever be able to get his body to a good enough position to play consistent AFL football. 

If he doesn't have a ripping pre-season, we can say that this trade was a complete bust. 

39 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Not great list management from us if we left ourselves in a spot where we couldn't attract anything that could have made us better.

If you want to chase dynasties you have to add to what you already have. See Richmond with Lynch and Hawthorn with Lake and Frawley.

We've lost a lot more than we've added over the past few years.

We did that pre 21, Brown, May, Langdon, Lever. Those deals plus expensive reisginings, Tracc, Oliver, Brawyshaw, Kozzy doesn't leave much in the bank 

7 hours ago, Dee*ceiving said:

We did that pre 21, Brown, May, Langdon, Lever. Those deals plus expensive reisginings, Tracc, Oliver, Brawyshaw, Kozzy doesn't leave much in the bank 

Yes then you turn to young and hungry VFL players with an upwards trajectory.  All would’ve been reasonable low cash.  

Not recruits players (like we did) who are on downwards cycle and still in contracts $$$ higher than normal.  

11 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Not great list management from us if we left ourselves in a spot where we couldn't attract anything that could have made us better.

If you want to chase dynasties you have to add to what you already have. See Richmond with Lynch and Hawthorn with Lake and Frawley.

We've lost a lot more than we've added over the past few years.

When you add Dunstan, Schache, Fullarton & Billings to our recent trading it means disastrous list management. Its a net loss when you consider who we traded out. 

We should be asking questions of who was responsible.

5 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

When you add Dunstan, Schache, Fullarton & Billings to our recent trading it means disastrous list management. Its a net loss when you consider who we traded out. 

We should be asking questions of who was responsible.

We’ve had a pretty strong side for years, players like Harmes & Jordan couldn’t get a game. We need to remember there are 18 teams, some players drafted here knew from the outset they weren’t going to be starting 22. Who did we miss out on? Additionally if a kids been good enough they’ve played as we’ve seen with McVee. There’s only so much talent in the competition, this is why a 19th & 20th team will not work.

Edited September 4, 20241 yr by Bombay Airconditioning

18 hours ago, Biffen said:

We made an error.

Interesting that you make a call on a guys career after 1 year… I’d hate to be your partner and things got bad for a year 

27 minutes ago, Oxdee said:

Interesting that you make a call on a guys career after 1 year… I’d hate to be your partner and things got bad for a year 

In fairness it’s his only year with us. So he doesn’t have runs in the board. If you’re in a new relationship and it did work for a the first 12 months it’s probably time to bail. 

8 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

When you add Dunstan, Schache, Fullarton & Billings to our recent trading it means disastrous list management. Its a net loss when you consider who we traded out. 

We should be asking questions of who was responsible.

How many of them were brought in as depth only players though

7 hours ago, roy11 said:

How many of them were brought in as depth only players though

That isn't the point. List management is supposed to improve the list not make it worse. Trading out Hunt, Bedford, Harmes & Jordon & trading in Schache, Dunstan, Fullarton & Billings has made us demonstrably worse.

Go through the Hawthorn side & you can see that their trading has been brilliant. They have brought in 5-6 traded players who have taken them to the finals this year.

Trading & list management is an art form that can make or break a Club & ours has been dreadful recently.

10 hours ago, Oxdee said:

Interesting that you make a call on a guys career after 1 year… I’d hate to be your partner and things got bad for a year 

I'm spoken for.

7 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

That isn't the point. List management is supposed to improve the list not make it worse. Trading out Hunt, Bedford, Harmes & Jordon & trading in Schache, Dunstan, Fullarton & Billings has made us demonstrably worse.

Go through the Hawthorn side & you can see that their trading has been brilliant. They have brought in 5-6 traded players who have taken them to the finals this year.

Trading & list management is an art form that can make or break a Club & ours has been dreadful recently.

Not disputing they haven't worked as well as other clubs but it also depends on variables such as recent draftees, bleeding youth, cap space and other factors.  Hawthorn could afford a Chol on their books but could we? We've got a lot of superstars on big money on big term deals, so the depth were cheaper options. 

We were basically 3 players down (at a minimum) all season with Spargo, Smith and Gus out. So the depth already being tested. 

Losing Jordon as a free agent only hurt us this year cos of Gus retirement, injuries and regression of form.  IF Gus was medically retired before the Trade period I imagine we'd have made a better play at keeping JJ or would have kept Harmes around.  Either way I don't think we're any better or worse for having swapped Harmes for Billings for example.

Dunstan replaced an aging Nathan Jones who slid out of the team and Aaron Vandenberg as depth.

Again not a big difference between Fullarton/Schache compared to the Weid and Mitch Brown era for example.

I miss Hunt as thought he offered some line-breaking speed but the football department wanted to try something else. Were we worse off? Well we missed some of his attributes but think overall it was pretty similar net result having Hunter in the team.

Agree that McAdam in has not worked so far, but still think we cant write him off yet  - And it was sad to losing Bedford as he's turning into a player - but so is Chin with a more consistent run of games etc.

But agree on the whole it's been uninspiring but most of those mentions were depth replacements.

Don't blame the player.  Tim Lamb's selections since 2021 have been (in the main) absolutely shizen.

I'd be getting rid of Lamb to start with before he destroys this list entirely.

Richo has surely run his race also.

New voices / ppl muchly needed.

Time to put a broom through the FD.  No point stopping at Stafford.

Minor tweaks will just see us waste yet another year and go nowhere as a club.  Most likely stagnate or go futher backwards, particularly on the membership fromt.

Edited September 5, 20241 yr by Demon Dynasty

McAdam will get a chance to redeem himself next season, but may face new competition for the role in the best 22.

What will be interesting is what we do during the national draft. If we add a highly touted draftee who can play that forward role, it will add to the competition for spots in the senior side.

Look at what Windsor did to Billings and Hunters opportunities on the wing. He leapfrogged both of them for the spot in the 22 and would have held it all season to ad he not been injured.