Carlton’s doctor and CTE

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,825]

The Carlton doctor should be censured by both the AFL and the Medical Board( AHPRA) for his gross neglect of Mackay’s condition at the weekend.  They considered that it was more important to keep their best players on the ground than consider the likelihood of concussion, and CTE down the track.

This policy won them the final v Melbourne last September when Wettering was concussed( accidentally) by Smith, who actually helped him to his staggering feet.  They chose not to assess such an important player when the game was in the balance. If they assessed  him ,he’d be  off the ground at a vital time, and would probably be unavailable next match.

It was Wettering who intercepted Viney’s wayward kick, and who set up the last minute final attack and winning goal.

Reprehensible neglect of player welfare.

Edited July 22, 2024 by Jumping Jack Clennett
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[Ethan Tremblay 31,388]

McKay passed a HIA. What’s the problem exactly? 

[Demon Disciple 12,536]

23 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

McKay passed a HIA. What’s the problem exactly? 

Sour grapes

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,825]

14 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

McKay passed a HIA. What’s the problem exactly? 

The problem was plain to see.

Numerous experts have expressed their surprise that he wasn’t taken off and assessed immediately.

What do you mean by “ sour grapes”, Demon Disciple.?  If you had a son playing football and he was staggering around with his eyes rolling in his head, would you want him to stay out on the field? That’s when players are most vulnerable to repeat head trauma.

[Ethan Tremblay 31,388]

11 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

The problem was plain to see.

Numerous experts have expressed their surprise that he wasn’t taken off and assessed immediately.

What do you mean by “ sour grapes”, Demon Disciple.?  If you had a son playing football and he was staggering around with his eyes rolling in his head, would you want him to stay out on the field? That’s when players are most vulnerable to repeat head trauma.

“Experts” who were watching from their TV’s. The doctor was obviously at the ground and did the HIA in person. Is the suggestion that the doctor is incompetent or being told what to do by the coaches? Just trying to ascertain what you’re alluding to.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,823]

Doctors need to be independent from the clubs. 

Coaches are always going to rant and rave to keep them on the field.

AFL keeping the costs down.

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,825]

9 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

“Experts” who were watching from their TV’s. The doctor was obviously at the ground and did the HIA in person. Is the suggestion that the doctor is incompetent or being told what to do by the coaches? Just trying to ascertain what you’re alluding to.

Unethical practice by the doctor, succumbing to pressure from the club to delay HIA for the Club's benefit.

That's why there have been so many calls for independent medical assessment of suspected concussion.

It was blatantly obvious that Mackay and Wettering required urgent and thorough  assessment, not a remote opinion from the edge of the ground, then a delayed test .

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

30 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Doctors need to be independent from the clubs. 

Coaches are always going to rant and rave to keep them on the field.

AFL keeping the costs down.

Yes but then there will be a world where we will still question their allegiance and integrity - just like we do with umpires. The club doctors at least know their players a bit better than a ring in.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,823]

2 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Yes but then there will be a world where we will still question their allegiance and integrity - just like we do with umpires. The club doctors at least know their players a bit better than a ring in.

Agree that they know the players history etc, but in a crucial stage of a final like the Weitering mild concussion case.

He had the jelly legs and Smith helped him up, no club doctor is taking him off unless he's out cold.

Imagine this scenario in a GF with 5 mins to go no coach is agreeing to taking a player off.

 

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,825]

2 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Agree that they know the players history etc, but in a crucial stage of a final like the Weitering mild concussion case.

He had the jelly legs and Smith helped him up, no club doctor is taking him off unless he's out cold.

Imagine this scenario in a GF with 5 mins to go no coach is agreeing to taking a player off.

 

This is the crux of the argument.

[OhMyDees 1,834]

Any doctor who pulled a player off with 5mins to go in a GF would probably not have a job the next season. 

I think they should have independent doctors to conduct the concussion tests. 

I wonder who would assess the umpires and do concussion tests on them if they got hurt? Likely AFL doesn’t have doctors just for them but you’d think they should for duty of care. 

[Wodjathefirst 2,671]

5 minutes ago, OhMyDees said:

Any doctor who pulled a player off with 5mins to go in a GF would probably not have a job the next season. 

I think they should have independent doctors to conduct the concussion tests. 

I wonder who would assess the umpires and do concussion tests on them if they got hurt? Likely AFL doesn’t have doctors just for them but you’d think they should for duty of care. 

Umpires requiring a HIA would be an extremely rare occurrence. One would hope / expect that if they were flattened and obviously needed an assessment or medical assistance that one of the doctors from either competing side would assist. 
Just guessing, have no idea to be honest.

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,825]

On 22/07/2024 at 23:51, Ethan Tremblay said:

McKay passed a HIA. What’s the problem exactly? 

The AFL has reprimanded Carlton for the Mackay incident. They overlooked the Wettering incident in the Final last year.

Carlton might have to face legal action in many years time if Mackay or Wettering show signs of CTE.

That’s the problem exactly.

[Ethan Tremblay 31,388]

41 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

The AFL has reprimanded Carlton for the Mackay incident. They overlooked the Wettering incident in the Final last year.

Carlton might have to face legal action in many years time if Mackay or Wettering show signs of CTE.

That’s the problem exactly.

They may have been ‘reprimanded’ but the AFL accepted Carlton’s explanation: 

“However, the AFL accepted Carlton's explanation that its club doctors were delayed in attending to McKay because they were already occupied with other injured players. 

As such, the Blues have been issued with an official reprimand for the "short delay" in removing McKay from the field and conducting a SCAT6 assessment.”

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,825]

Brilliant manufacture of an excuse by the recidivists!  A player on the boundary was being treated for a tight calf muscle, while the groggy Mackay was being helped to his feet. Great triage by the medical experts! Perhaps they consulted their clever lawyers again to dream up that excuse.

Of course the AFL  has  forgotten altogether about the Wettering disgrace.

[Little Goffy 14,963]

The Carlton players must be a bit worried that their major injury concerns could be missed if someone else needs their strapping redone first.

De Koning and Weitering both free agents next year. Just saying.

[monoccular 17,760]

8 hours ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

Brilliant manufacture of an excuse by the recidivists!  A player on the boundary was being treated for a tight calf muscle, while the groggy Mackay was being helped to his feet. Great triage by the medical experts! Perhaps they consulted their clever lawyers again to dream up that excuse.

Of course the AFL  has  forgotten altogether about the Wettering disgrace.

The AFL, being consistent, forgive Carlton for anything.  

[gs77 4,614]

4 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

The Carlton players must be a bit worried that their major injury concerns could be missed if someone else needs their strapping redone first.

De Koning and Weitering both free agents next year. Just saying.

Like players care - they're the ones telling the docs to [censored] off while staggering about seeing triple.

[Little Goffy 14,963]

9 minutes ago, gs77 said:

Like players care - they're the ones telling the docs to [censored] off while staggering about seeing triple.

When they're nauseous then next two mornings and their spouse and family are questioning whether football is worth the cost, they'll care.