On 03/10/2024 at 21:50, John Demonic said:

Well that was yesterday. Today's a whole new day for a different crisis!

Thank [censored] sanity has reportedly prevailed and Geelong's paltry offers were laughed off the phone.

Edited October 3, 2024Oct 3 by John Demonic

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:01, biggestred said:

Pert must go. Must go.

Kane is nothing more than an ill informed, over opinionated, footy shock jock.  he would have no idea what the inner workings and discussions are

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:01, Tracca said:

How are we pathetic?

 

apart from not feeding into the media [censored], nothing has changed from the last day of the season until now.

What if we were never trading Clayton? This is all a media beat up, until the club speaks tonight and if claz is there we should all take a deep breath.

 

agreed our PR team are useless but let’s hold our horses here and not shoot the club for not responding to rumours just yet

Oh come on! Why do you think Oliver liked the post saying he was going to Geelong? This was obviously very real, stop blaming the media for the mess the club has made yet again.

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:01, Tracca said:

How are we pathetic?

 

apart from not feeding into the media [censored], nothing has changed from the last day of the season until now.

What if we were never trading Clayton? This is all a media beat up, until the club speaks tonight and if claz is there we should all take a deep breath.

 

agreed our PR team are useless but let’s hold our horses here and not shoot the club for not responding to rumours just yet

We started this. We called around and asked if clubs would deal. 

He gets all the way down the path and wants out. 

We complain there isn’t enough value in a proposed trade. 

All of which was completely foreseeable. 

As if we didn’t think clubs would refrain from throwing massive draft pick hauls given his recent history? As if we didn’t think throwing his name out there for the second year in a row would create a major media storm and [censored] Clarry off?

All the parts of this that have been within our control have been mismanaged by us. 

What a disgusting mismanagement of a HUMAN BEING!

As I said yesterday, you cannot use Clarry as a pawn in some sick game to make yourself appear to be fixing our culture. 
You are dealing with someone who loves and is committed to this club, or at least was, who is struggling with his mental health. You play with him, saying we want you, while also shopping him around, deluded to think he won’t find out. 
His management team, the same team who manages one C Petracca, must be shaking their head in disgusting.

And all the while, you wonder why nobody wants to come to this club, or why our culture stinks. This is why it stinks. You can trade away 1, 10, 44 players, but if the clowns running this circus remain, then guess what? The culture will continue to stink! 

Edited October 3, 2024Oct 3 by Jaded No More

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:05, KozzyCan said:

Oh come on! Why do you think Oliver liked the post saying he was going to Geelong? This was obviously very real, stop blaming the media for the mess the club has made yet again.

Clayton literally shared his interview from the deebrief as well. The part about trac and coming back to pre season with the dees. So does that mean he is staying now does it?

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:04, Whispering_Jack said:

Either pull the trigger or don’t put your finger on the trigger in the first place.

Not pulling the trigger now guarantees a [censored] show.  Our cultural reset will be set back many, many years.

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:07, Jaded No More said:

What a disgusting mismanagement of a HUMAN BEING!

As I said yesterday, you cannot use Clarry as a pawn in some sick game to make yourself appear to be fixing our culture. 
You are dealing with someone who loves and is committed to this club, or at least was, who is struggling with his mental health. You play with him, saying we want you, while also shopping him around, deluded to think he won’t find out. 
His management team, the same team who manages one C Petracca, must be shaking their head in disgusting.

And all the while, you wonder why nobody wants to come to this club, or why are culture stinks. This is why it stinks. You can trade away 1, 10, 44 players, but if the clowns running this circus remain, then guess what? The culture will continue to stink! 

Whilst I agree with you re all of this, remember all of this is from the media, none of it is fact…….yet

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:05, titan_uranus said:

We started this. We called around and asked if clubs would deal. 

He gets all the way down the path and wants out. 

We complain there isn’t enough value in a proposed trade. 

All of which was completely foreseeable. 

As if we didn’t think clubs would refrain from throwing massive draft pick hauls given his recent history? As if we didn’t think throwing his name out there for the second year in a row would create a major media storm and [censored] Clarry off?

All the parts of this that have been within our control have been mismanaged by us. 

Hang on a sec…..

where did you hear we did the call around? That is all driven from the media. There is zero chance Gary pert called anyone about list management decisions.

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:09, Tracca said:

Clayton literally shared his interview from the deebrief as well. The part about trac and coming back to pre season with the dees. So does that mean he is staying now does it?

My reading of that, which had the caption 'Sounds like a man who wants to repay the faith' was that Oliver was saying it wasn't him but the club. Oliver obviously felt betrayed when he found out the club was shopping him and Geelong love bombed him. We got cold feet when we saw how [censored] the deal was. We've made a complete mess of things, this story wasn't made up.

  On 03/10/2024 at 21:40, Tracca said:

My take is the external review has said get rid of bad apples. And we have told clarry to start looking around

Yep, and he has been an overpaid rotten apple, that’s probably the only fact.

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:11, Tracca said:

Hang on a sec…..

where did you hear we did the call around? That is all driven from the media. There is zero chance Gary pert called anyone about list management decisions.

Come on now, it’s the “Trac never wanted out, it’s just a media stunt” all over again. 

 

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:04, Whispering_Jack said:

If this is true then we truly have the dumbest of the dumb people in charge of the direction of the club.

Whether it is you making contact or them making contact, why would you even start a dialogue with a club that you know is never going to give you fair value? All that can possibly do is drag multiple people/groups through the mud. You shut it down straight away with the common sense/knowledge that it would never be feasible anyway. If you're that keen to move someone on, engage with clubs you can feasibly see have the kind of assets you'd want.

Heads to roll as part of this. It's actually the right thing to do to try and start to rebuild some credibility. 

I cannot tell you how relieved I am that Clayton is likely staying. 

This was legitimately my breaking point, and was ready to deactivate the account, cancel membership and everything. 

For shame MFC that this even happened.

This situation is only a [censored] show because of the over the top media reports. 
I have full faith in the club to make the right call regarding Clarry, if he is traded there would be a very valid reason, especially if he is traded away for such little trade value. If we think we can make it work we will get our champion player back. 
This is the same football department that netted us 3 top four finishes in the last 4 years and flag. They know what they are doing and most of all they know the nature of the relationships and dynamics within the club. Yes we have had some misses at the trade table the last 3 years but we have continued to draft very well. Your not going to get every trade right and it’s not like we have thrown mega contracts at complete spuds (Grundy only didn’t work because we have the greatest ever ruckman on our list already) 

 

Have some faith, what will be will be and whatever decision is made I’m sure it’s the right one. 

 

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:21, GCDee said:

This situation is only a [censored] show because of the over the top media reports. 
I have full faith in the club to make the right call regarding Clarry, if he is traded there would be a very valid reason, especially if he is traded away for such little trade value. If we think we can make it work we will get our champion player back. 
This is the same football department that netted us 3 top four finishes in the last 4 years and flag. They know what they are doing and most of all they know the nature of the relationships and dynamics within the club. Yes we have had some misses at the trade table the last 3 years but we have continued to draft very well. Your not going to get every trade right and it’s not like we have thrown mega contracts at complete spuds (Grundy only didn’t work because we have the greatest ever ruckman on our list already) 

 

Have some faith, what will be will be and whatever decision is made I’m sure it’s the right one. 

While I tend to agree, this continually highlights how poor we are at media management. We are the medias favorite punching bag and whether the club are right or wrong on their treatment of Clarry, they can’t win in the eyes of the media. 
 

Media management shouldn’t be this hard. You have a strong lead who develops strong relationships with those who are relevant, offer up some exclusives to keep them happy and friendly & make them feel like the most important people in the industry. Then when stuff like this happens, they’ll call you first as they prioritize the relations, or you call them and ask them to shut it down. 
 

We’ve seemingly gone down the path of shutting up shop and allowing them to fill the space, which they’ll do 100 times over. Whatever we’re doing, it’s not working…

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:18, Jaded No More said:

Come on now, it’s the “Trac never wanted out, it’s just a media stunt” all over again. 

 

Again you are jumping to conclusions. Let’s wait and see what happens tonight then happy to stand next to you with pitchforks 

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:20, Purple77 said:

I cannot tell you how relieved I am that Clayton is likely staying. 

This was legitimately my breaking point, and was ready to deactivate the account, cancel membership and everything. 

For shame MFC that this even happened.

I'm the opposite, all for trading Oliver if the trade value was worth it.  On about 1 million a year to play AFL, that is your job, it's your responsibility to prepare yourself to perform your best.

The club has a small window to cut him loose or you are stuck with him for the length of his contract.  Next year If he turns up and plays like he did this year no club will want him including Melbourne.

The only reason Melbourne won't trade him is because the return for him is no where near adequate.

Edited October 3, 2024Oct 3 by drdrake

Remember this: trading Clarry for a packet of stale chips is always an option. 
Finding another talent like Clarry, is not. 

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:27, Jaded No More said:

Remember this: trading Clarry for a packet of stale chips is always an option. 
Finding another talent like Clarry, is not. 

What Clarry are you talking about the star or the one that played in 2024.

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:30, drdrake said:

What Clarry are you talking about the star or the one that played in 2024.

Of course the star. He’s had many more years of being a star, than being just an ok player. 
He had a poor year mainly due to his lack of fitness and injuries, where he still was firmly in our best 22. 

If we were trading him and getting a good player in return, that’s an entirely different proposition. But to trade him for very little, is a catastrophic list management decision that should come as the absolute very last resort. Not after 18 bad months in a career of 8 years that’s been a roaring success. 
 

And by the way, if people think Clarry has gone from a Bible study nerd to a problem child in the last 18 months, then they’re wrong. He’s always had challenges, even when he was winning back to back AAs, B&Fs and coaches awards. 

Edited October 3, 2024Oct 3 by Jaded No More

  On 03/10/2024 at 22:27, Jaded No More said:

Remember this: trading Clarry for a packet of stale chips is always an option. 
Finding another talent like Clarry, is not. 

Go down to Centrelink champ and look around, you will see a lot of hubris, with similar traits.

What a few days.

Packing blood pressure tables and nappies to get me through. 

I've been a member since squadron days in the 70s and I'll be a member till I shuffle off into the great beyond.

We may have reached a point where it is not tenable for Oliver to stay. In any relationship between an organisation and employee there are always limits of patience and trust. We should know if that point has been reached today.

The deal may not be ideal but we get cap space, some trade return like Cats 2025 First which may be in the high teens/early 20 and much needed clean air.

Then we're looking at more clean air, those responsible for not upholding cultural standards and expectations, and for the what now seems a high risk Oliver extension. Pert, Richardson, Lamb go.

Goodwin is a challenge because of soft cap. Revisit end of 2025 when its only a one year payout. If we are not playing a competitive game style he goes. Advised he needs to accept that players won't be indulged as they have been.  Players don't have to be choir boys but the leeway will be much smaller.

Board needs to address its oversight failures.