Stats Files - 2024

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 7, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

Player	2024 Rating	2024 Rank	2023 Rating	% Change vs 2023	2023 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca	4.578	1	4.707	-2.7	2	1
Max Gawn	4.203	2	3.350	25.5	7	5
Steven May	4.135	3	3.213	28.7	8	5
Jake Lever	3.763	4	3.131	20.2	9	5
C Oliver	3.581	5	5.002	-28.4	1	-4
Jack Viney	3.481	6	3.707	-6.1	4	-2
T Rivers	3.265	7	3.696	-11.7	5	-2
A Tomlinson*	3.175	8	2.915	8.9	14	6
Judd McVee	3.159	9	2.320	36.2	22	13
Ed Langdon	3.071	10	3.057	0.5	10	0
C Salem <	2.978	11	2.993	-0.5	12	1
T McDonald	2.971	12	2.054	44.6	27	15
T Sparrow	2.878	13	2.811	2.4	16	3
A N-Bullen	2.621	14	2.532	3.5	20	6
C Windsor <	2.544	15	-	-	-	-
B Howes	2.425	16	-	-	-	-
J Billings > <	2.358	17	-	-	-	-
M Hore	2.272	18	-	-	-	-
K Pickett	2.254	19	2.101	7.3	26	7
K Chandler	2.150	20	2.265	-5.1	23	3
B Fritsch	2.093	21	2.324	-9.9	21	0
T Woewodin < >	2.090	22	1.406	48.6	34	12
J Bowey*	1.950	23	2.820	-30.9	15	-8
D Turner	1.912	24	1.825	4.8	31	7
J V Rooyen	1.900	25	2.170	-12.4	25	0
Ben Brown <	1.506	26	1.941	-22.4	28	2
B Laurie* < >	1.463	27	2.235	-34.5	24	-3
C Spargo*	1.200	28	1.886	-36.4	29	1
H Petty	1.108	29	2.718	-59.2	19	-10
K Tholstrup*	1.100	30	-	-	-	-
J Schache*	0.700	31	1.525	-54.1	33	2
L Hunter	-	-	2.939	-	13	-
J Melksham	-	-	1.599	-	32	-
S McAdam	-	-	-	-	-	-
Team Rating	66.05		69.86	-5.5
Top 6	23.74		24.43	-2.8
Bottom 6	13.22		15.17	-12.9

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

Melbourne v Carlton (Round 9, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20240901

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	68.5	67.4	+1.1
Kicking Efficiency	63.1	62.3	+0.8
Metres Gained	5904	5668	+236
Inside 50s	61	41	+20
Shots At Goal	23	15	+8
Shots Per Inside 50	37.7	36.6	+1.1
Contested Possessions	146	154	-8
Ground Ball Gets	104	106	-2
Intercepts	84	82	+2
Intercept Marks	18	18	+0
Centre Clearances	10	14	-4
Stoppage Clearances	30	28	+2
Contested Marks	9	12	-3
Marks Inside 50	9	7	+2
Hitouts	51	32	+19
Hitouts To Advantage	10	11	-1
Tackles	86	68	+18
Tackles Inside 50	16	9	+7
Def One On One Loss %	33.3	33.3	+0.0

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	78.2	76	4	94%	+23.7
Carlton	54.5	77	3	6%		+1	+24.7

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	23	11.6.72	47.8%	74.2	−2.2	3.23	−0.10
Carlton	15	12.2.74	80.0%	51.5	+22.5	3.44	+1.50
General Play
Melbourne	14	5.4.34	35.7%	41.3	−7.3	2.95	−0.52
Carlton	7	6.1.37	85.7%	24.4	+12.6	3.48	+1.80
Set Position
Melbourne	9	6.2.38	66.7%	32.9	+5.1	3.65	+0.57
Carlton	8	6.1.37	75.0%	27.2	+9.8	3.39	+1.23

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Against
1	186	200
2	189	163
3	217	209
4	221	201
Match	202	194

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Jack Viney	40	92	61.6
Alex Neal-Bullen	32	87	53.7
Kade Chandler	26	67	49.0
Clayton Oliver	22	55	42.6
Kysaiah Pickett	27	51	42.6
Tom Sparrow	20	47	51.3
Harrison Petty	18	39	27.1
Christian Petracca	13	36	38.2
Ed Langdon	17	32	31.9
Caleb Windsor	11	29	33.7
Tom McDonald	11	27	24.1
Bayley Fritsch	10	26	15.2
Jake Lever	8	23	17.2
Jacob van Rooyen	11	23	16.3
Jack Billings	10	22	25.6
Judd McVee	8	22	16.3
Trent Rivers	9	20	21.9
Max Gawn	7	19	27.0
Daniel Turner	5	13	11.7
Blake Howes	6	12	19.6
Jake Bowey	4	11	11.0
Steven May	3	5	9.5
Taj Woewodin	1	4	13.3

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	53%	47%
2	50%	50%
3	51%	49%
4	76%	24%
Match	59%	41%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	0.0.0	0.0.0	+0
Centre Bounce	2.0.12	5.0.30	-18
Stoppage (Other)	4.3.27	2.2.14	+13
Turnover	5.6.36	5.2.32	+4

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	0	3.3	0	2.4
Centre Bounce	12	11.2	30	8.1
Stoppage (Other)	27	24.0	14	17.7
Turnover	36	43.0	32	39.1

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Carlton.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	12	11.2	30	8.1
Kick-in	D50	0	3.3	0	2.4
Stoppage (Other)	D50	0	1.4	0	2.0
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	1	1.8	0	1.3
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	20	14.2	7	9.3
Stoppage (Other)	F50	6	6.6	7	5.0
Turnover	D50	0	7.9	6	6.6
Turnover	Centre	8	6.9	13	5.4
Turnover	Wing	27	19.9	12	23.0
Turnover	F50	1	8.3	1	4.1

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	0	12.7	6	11.0
Centre	21	19.9	43	14.9
Wing	47	34.1	19	32.3
F50	7	14.9	8	9.1

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	0	12.7	6	11.0
Defensive midfield	26	19.9	19	13.8
Centre bounce	12	11.2	30	8.1
Attacking midfield	30	22.9	13	25.3
Forward 50	7	14.9	8	9.1

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Carlton.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
26	32.6	25	24.8

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Carlton.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	24	89%	86.0%	64.9%
Clayton Oliver	21	78%	70.7%	81.4%
Tom Sparrow	17	63%	45.5%	44.9%
Jack Viney	16	59%	71.2%	72.1%
Alex Neal-Bullen	14	52%	8.1%	2.1%
Christian Petracca	8	30%	59.0%	61.1%
Kysaiah Pickett	5	19%	27.6%	11.2%
Jacob van Rooyen	3	11%	12.6%	7.6%
Trent Rivers	0	0%	3.6%	3.0%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	0.6%	0.7%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Christian Salem			27.2%	0.0%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Koltyn Tholstrup			8.3%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Bailey Laurie			1.5%	0.0%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	91	84%	83.1%	57.5%
Jacob van Rooyen	12	11%	13.9%	13.1%
Harrison Petty	5	5%	1.7%	2.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca	0	0%	0.0%	0.4%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.0%	0.1%
Steven May	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%
Ben Brown			0.0%	2.3%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	91	45	9	28.7%	30.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	12	4	1	29.0%	31.1%
Harrison Petty	5	2	0	0.0%	25.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Christian Petracca	0	0	0		100.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Ben Brown					0.0%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Marc Pittonet	72	21	8
Tom De Koning	36	11	3

[spirit of norm smith 16,447]

Centre clearances 

Blues 14 Dees 10. 
 

cannot believe that Gawn wins the tap and blues won the contest and got 3 goals straight from centre clearances 

need to fix that. 

[layzie 33,794]

55 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Centre clearances 

Blues 14 Dees 10. 
 

cannot believe that Gawn wins the tap and blues won the contest and got 3 goals straight from centre clearances 

need to fix that. 

5 for the game on centre clearances, huge number and one that will always put you on the back foot. 

Also out 'pressured' in the first quarter, just like the game late last season. This all contributes to getting the jump on us and combined with quick scores out of the middle we'll likely keep starting games against them this way if it isn't rectified. 

 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

Thanks. That first quarter killed us. Almost all other stats indicate we were better. Q2-q3 was very even. The last q was a domination where should have one. 
 

The one thing I noticed was how slow we were on d50 intercepts and turnovers. This is where our system needs vast improvement. Need to run and carry more. Rivers, Bowey, Salo need to start that transition and run in waves. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 8, 2024 MCG - Blues vs Demons

Nibbla for a rare top of the table No.1 rating!  Must have done a fair bit right playing through the middle after half time yes?  Including a massive 12 tackles, 6 intercepts and 5 clearances.

The BOG would surely be Tracc though with a masterful HF pinch hitting role after quarter time.

Nice effort from Woey with only 23% game time.

Clarry having another off night after last week's excellent bounce back.

Unfortunately our losses at CBs in the first quarter and in general were quite costly for us.

A likely fatigue issue after the 5 day break also so i think we just lick our wounds and move on from this one.

Player	Rating	Rank	2023 Season Rating	% Change vs 2023
A N-Bullen	4.900	1	2.532	93.5
S May	4.200	2	3.213	30.7
C Petracca	4.050	3	4.707	-14.0
C Oliver	3.575	4	5.002	-28.5
T McDonald	3.550	5	2.054	72.8
Max Gawn	3.475	6	3.350	3.7
Ed Langdon	3.375	7	3.057	10.4
Jack Viney	3.350	8	3.707	-9.6
Jake Lever	3.125	9	3.131	-0.2
B Howes	2.825	10	-	-
C Windsor	2.500	11	-	-
K Chandler	2.450	12	2.265	8.2
H Petty	2.250	13	2.718	-17.2
J Bowey < 61%	2.050	14	2.820	-27.3
T Sparrow	1.925	15	2.811	-31.5
J McVee	1.900	16	2.320	-18.1
K Pickett	1.850	17	2.101	-11.9
J Billings	1.825	18	-	-
T Rivers	1.800	19	3.696	-51.3
J V Rooyen	1.675	20	2.170	-22.8
T Woewodin > 23%	1.600	21	1.406	13.8
B Fritsch	0.700	22	2.324	-69.9
D Turner	0.450	23	1.825	-75.3
Team Score	58.95		69.86	-15.6
Top 6	23.75		24.43	-2.8
Bottom 6	9.45		15.17	-37.7

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[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 8, 2024 vs H&A Season 2023

Player	2024 Rating	2024 Rank	2023 Rating	% Change vs 2023	2023 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2023
C Petracca	4.519	1	4.707	-4.0	2	1
Steven May	4.144	2	3.213	29.0	8	6
Max Gawn	4.122	3	3.350	23.0	7	4
Jake Lever	3.688	4	3.131	17.8	9	5
C Oliver	3.580	5	5.002	-28.4	1	-4
Jack Viney	3.466	6	3.707	-6.5	4	-2
A Tomlinson*	3.175	7	2.915	8.9	14	7
Ed Langdon	3.105	8	3.057	1.6	10	2
T Rivers	3.102	9	3.696	-16.1	5	-4
T McDonald	3.043	10	2.054	48.1	27	17
Judd McVee	3.019	11	2.320	30.1	22	11
C Salem <	2.978	12	2.993	-0.5	12	0
A N-Bullen	2.875	13	2.532	13.5	20	7
T Sparrow	2.772	14	2.811	-1.4	16	2
C Windsor <	2.539	15	-	-	-	-
J Bowey* <	2.484	16	2.820	-11.9	15	-1
B Howes	2.469	17	-	-	-	-
T Woewodin < >	2.425	18	1.406	72.5	34	16
J Billings > <	2.287	19	-	-	-	-
M Hore	2.272	20	-	-	-	-
K Pickett	2.196	21	2.101	4.5	26	5
K Chandler	2.183	22	2.265	-3.6	23	1
B Fritsch	1.938	23	2.324	-16.6	21	-2
J V Rooyen	1.875	24	2.170	-13.6	25	1
Ben Brown <	1.506	25	1.941	-22.4	28	3
B Laurie* < >	1.463	26	2.235	-34.5	24	-2
D Turner	1.425	27	1.825	-21.9	31	4
H Petty	1.271	28	2.718	-53.2	19	-9
C Spargo*	1.200	29	1.886	-36.4	29	0
K Tholstrup*	1.100	30	-	-	-	-
J Schache*	0.700	31	1.525	-54.1	33	2
L Hunter	-	-	2.939	-	13	-
J Melksham	-	-	1.599	-	32	-
S McAdam	-	-	-	-	-	-
Team Rating	66.44		69.86	-4.9
Top 6	23.52		24.43	-3.7
Bottom 6	13.83		15.17	-8.8

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

[DeeZone 9,824]

Thanks DD really surprised that our team score was so low on Thursday night Sparrow, Billings and Rivers in particular well down on average performance but then we were very slow out of the blocks and that would have effected our final rating.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

6 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks DD really surprised that our team score was so low on Thursday night Sparrow, Billings and Rivers in particular well down on average performance but then we were very slow out of the blocks and that would have effected our final rating.

Hard to say but possibly a combo of 5 day fatigue and playing a very good opponent DZ?

You'd like to think we'd be rotating a few fresh players in to help manage others.

Our problem is we've already rolled through as many rookies and other options from Casey as we're likely to see or who are likely to improve our stocks this season.  The cupboard downstairs is pretty bare at the moment.

Kolt's pushing hard but he still feels a little lost playing through the middle.

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

That was Melbourne's fewest inside 50s since 2015 (excluding 2020 with shorter quarters).

Melbourne's worst inside 50 differential, 2021-2024
-21 v WC, R10 2024
-21 v Port, R3 2024
-20 v Geel, R17 2022
-14 v Syd, R0 2024

Melbourne's worst differential in points from turnovers, 2021-2024
-56 v WC, R10 2024 (14 v 70)*
-50 v Syd, R12 2022 (5 v 55)
-40 v Syd, R24 2022 (30 v 70)
-35 v Frem, R11 2022 (24 v 59)

* Equal 2nd most pts conceded from turnovers and 2nd fewest points scored from turnovers from 2021-2024.

Melbourne v West Coast (Round 10, 2024)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20241009

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff
Disposal Efficiency	66.9	77.2	-10.3
Kicking Efficiency	58.4	74.1	-15.7
Metres Gained	5069	5935	-866
Inside 50s	36	57	-21
Shots At Goal	21	31	-10
Shots Per Inside 50	58.3	54.4	+3.9
Contested Possessions	123	123	+0
Ground Ball Gets	82	84	-2
Intercepts	60	69	-9
Intercept Marks	10	19	-9
Centre Clearances	13	15	-2
Stoppage Clearances	28	21	+7
Contested Marks	7	15	-8
Marks Inside 50	9	13	-4
Hitouts	42	29	+13
Hitouts To Advantage	14	7	+7
Tackles	67	63	+4
Tackles Inside 50	9	22	-13
Def One On One Loss %	20.0	30.0	-10.0

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	9	3	+6
Loose Ball Get	16	9	+7
Other	9	3	+6
Total	34	15	+19
Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	1	3	-2
Loose Ball Get	7	15	-8
Other	8	11	-3
Total	16	29	-13
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	10	13	-3
Loose Ball Get	42	44	-2
Other	16	26	-10
Total	68	83	-15
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	14	8	+6
Loose Ball Get	16	19	-3
Other	25	13	+12
Total	55	40	+15

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.
• Other includes contested marks, free kicks, contested knock ons, gathers from hitouts, and ruck hard ball gets.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	Rushed	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	65.2	70	3	1%			+5.3
West Coast	105.5	105	1	99%	+40.3	+35

Team	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	21	10.7.67	47.6%	62.2	+4.8	2.96	+0.23
West Coast	31	16.8.104	51.6%	104.5	−0.5	3.37	−0.02
General Play
Melbourne	9	3.4.22	33.3%	21.2	+0.8	2.36	+0.08
West Coast	15	6.3.39	40.0%	44.2	−5.2	2.95	−0.35
Set Position
Melbourne	12	7.3.45	58.3%	41.0	+4.0	3.41	+0.34
West Coast	16	10.5.65	62.5%	60.3	+4.7	3.77	+0.29

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.
• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.
• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.
• +/-: total score above or below expected score.
• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.
• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

 

 

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Against
1	205	175
2	180	207
3	176	164
4	171	208
Match	184	189

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Jack Viney	28	77	63.1
Kade Chandler	21	52	49.3
Clayton Oliver	23	52	43.5
Alex Neal-Bullen	24	48	53.1
Christian Salem	26	48	29.9
Harrison Petty	20	48	29.8
Kysaiah Pickett	21	45	42.9
Trent Rivers	14	38	23.5
Tom Sparrow	13	29	49.1
Caleb Windsor	12	27	33.0
Taj Woewodin	10	24	14.6
Tom McDonald	10	22	23.9
Shane McAdam	10	22	22.0
Jack Billings	10	20	25.0
Jake Bowey	6	17	13.0
Ben Brown	7	17	10.3
Christian Petracca	7	15	35.9
Judd McVee	7	14	16.1
Bayley Fritsch	7	13	15.0
Max Gawn	5	12	25.5
Blake Howes	5	11	18.7
Steven May	6	8	9.3
Jake Lever	1	2	15.7

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter	For	Against
1	43%	57%
2	31%	69%
3	69%	31%
4	26%	74%
Match	41%	59%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarter values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Category	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	0.0.0	0.0.0	+0
Centre Bounce	4.1.25	1.1.7	+18
Stoppage (Other)	5.1.31	4.4.28	+3
Turnover	1.8.14	11.4.70	-56

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	0	3.0	0	2.2
Centre Bounce	25	12.6	7	8.0
Stoppage (Other)	31	24.7	28	18.7
Turnover	14	40.1	70	42.2

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by West Coast.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Category	Region	For		Against
		Match	Season	Match	Season *
Centre Bounce	Centre	25	12.6	7	8.0
Kick-in	D50	0	3.0	0	2.2
Stoppage (Other)	D50	6	1.9	0	1.8
Stoppage (Other)	Centre	12	2.8	13	2.5
Stoppage (Other)	Wing	12	14.0	6	9.0
Stoppage (Other)	F50	1	6.0	9	5.4
Turnover	D50	0	7.1	6	6.5
Turnover	Centre	2	6.4	6	5.5
Turnover	Wing	5	18.4	34	24.1
Turnover	F50	7	8.2	24	6.1

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
D50	6	12.0	6	10.5
Centre	39	21.8	26	16.0
Wing	17	32.4	40	33.1
F50	8	14.2	33	11.5

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	6	12.0	6	10.5
Defensive midfield	8	18.7	26	15.0
Centre bounce	25	12.6	7	8.0
Attacking midfield	23	22.9	33	26.1
Forward 50	8	14.2	33	11.5

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by West Coast.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
14	30.7	32	25.5

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by West Coast.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2024 %	2023 %
Clayton Oliver	24	80%	71.8%	81.4%
Max Gawn	23	77%	84.9%	64.9%
Jack Viney	21	70%	71.0%	72.1%
Christian Petracca	19	63%	59.5%	61.1%
Christian Salem	10	33%	28.2%	0.0%
Kysaiah Pickett	8	27%	27.5%	11.2%
Alex Neal-Bullen	8	27%	10.3%	2.1%
Harrison Petty	7	23%	4.0%	0.7%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	40.1%	44.9%
Trent Rivers	0	0%	3.2%	3.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	5.7%
Jacob van Rooyen			12.6%	7.6%
Josh Schache			8.3%	0.0%
Koltyn Tholstrup			8.3%
Charlie Spargo			4.2%	0.0%
Bailey Laurie			1.5%	0.0%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2024 %	2023 %
Max Gawn	66	73%	82.2%	57.5%
Harrison Petty	23	26%	4.6%	2.0%
Ben Brown	1	1%	0.2%	2.3%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Christian Petracca	0	0%	0.0%	0.4%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.0%	0.1%
Steven May	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0%	0.0%	9.3%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Jacob van Rooyen			13.9%	13.1%
Josh Schache			13.3%	4.1%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2024)	To Adv. % (2023)
Max Gawn	66	28	7	28.5%	30.1%
Harrison Petty	23	13	6	35.3%	25.0%
Ben Brown	1	1	1	100.0%	0.0%
Alex Neal-Bullen	0	0	0		0.0%
Christian Petracca	0	0	0		100.0%
Tom McDonald	0	0	0		20.0%
Josh Schache				100.0%	0.0%
Jacob van Rooyen				29.0%	31.1%

Opposition hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.
Bailey J. Williams	67	24	5
Jack Williams	17	4	2
Jack Darling	5	1	0
Tom Barrass	1	0	0

[spirit of norm smith 16,447]

Stats. 
 

EAGLES 105. Dees 70. 
 

Inside 50s. 36-57 😡

Goals from turnovers 1-11🤡

Clearances centre 13-15😡

kicking efficiency 57% vs 72%🤢🤢
 

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

About the only good thing Viney is doing this year is pressure acts. I guess it’s easy to get high pressure acts when you’re not first to the ball, can’t find it in the open, and just chase all day.

[binman 42,903]

28 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Stats. 
 

EAGLES 105. Dees 70. 
 

Inside 50s. 36-57 😡

Goals from turnovers 1-11🤡

Clearances centre 13-15😡

kicking efficiency 57% vs 72%🤢🤢
 

All true.

The third stat being the key one.

But on centre clearances, apparently we were totally smashed by the blues last week because they scored 3 more goals from them then us.

Well, by that logic, given we scored 3 more goals (+18 and 25 points on total - twice our season average) from centre clearances we smashed the Eagles this week.

We were +3 for scores from stoppages (+7 for total clearances fom general stoppages, so +5 for total clearances ie cc and around the ground).

So we nearly plus four goals (+21 points) for clearances.

Not bad for a supposedly a woeful midfield.

I mean, we won total stoppages and scores from stoppages by nearly four goals - two pretty important indicators for a midfield I would have thought.

Edited May 19 by binman

[titan_uranus 25,014]

11 minutes ago, binman said:

All true.

The third stat being the key one.

But on centre clearances, apparently we were totally smashed by the blues last week because they scored 3 more goals from them then us.

Well, by that logic, given we scored 3 more goals (+18 and 25 points on total - twice our season average) from centre clearances we smashed the Eagles this week.

We were +3 for scores from stoppages (+7 for total clearances fom general stoppages, so +5 for total clearances ie cc and around the ground).

So we nearly plus four goals (+21 points) for clearances.

Not bad for a supposedly a woeful midfield.

I mean, we won total stoppages and scores from stoppages by nearly four goals - two pretty important indicators for a midfield I would have thought.

Surely the inside 50 differential, time in forward half differential, CP, post-clearance CP and pressure stats also reflect on the midfield?

[binman 42,903]

 

2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Surely the inside 50 differential, time in forward half differential, CP, post-clearance CP and pressure stats also reflect on the midfield?

Sure, of course.

But only in so far as those stats reflect the performance of the entire team, not just the 3-4 mids who attend the majority of the stoppages 

We were smashed in cp early, but evened up by game's end.

Pressure was ok early but fell away badly by game's end.

And we were smashed for the others - most worryingly post clearance cp.

Sure the mids play a role, but we play an all team defensive sytem so you cany blame the mids for tgose sort of poor team stats (which I'm not suggesting you are doing TA) 

Particularly given viney and Oliver were one and three respectively fir most pressure applied and I'm guessing came close to having the most contested possessions (I haven't checked).

And I'd add that post clearance contested possessions is by definition a stat that usually only tangentily attributal* to the mids as it is the possession after the clearance from a stoppage- and the mids are at the stoppage, not down field

*ie the more pressure our mids put on an opponent who wins a clearance the easier it is for us to win the next possession because of say a scrubby, under pressure bail out kick. 

And the converse is true. The cleaner a mid is when they win a clearance the better our chance of winning the next possession.

The above two scenarios also apply to turnovers and turnover marks (but again, it's nor usually the mids winning turnovers because they ate at the contest).

[spirit of norm smith 16,447]

@binman have to discuss strange “stat” is score from kick in.  We struggled to get the ball outside defence.
Eagles had scores on 5 from kickin and 4 down the middle corridor.  😡

No one realised they were attacking down the middle or having the full back run past to get the handball until it was too late !!  😡

[binman 42,903]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

@binman have to discuss strange “stat” is score from kick in.  We struggled to get the ball outside defence.
Eagles had scores on 5 from kickin and 4 down the middle corridor.  😡

No one realised they were attacking down the middle or having the full back run past to get the handball until it was too late !!  😡

I thought heard that stat on the coverage.

It jumped out because its so rare to score any goals from kick in, let alone five!

But according to @WheeloRatingsstats above, neither team scored a single point from a kick in.

[Jjrogan 1,420]

41 minutes ago, binman said:

I thought heard that stat on the coverage.

It jumped out because its so rare to score any goals from kick in, let alone five!

But according to @WheeloRatingsstats above, neither team scored a single point from a kick in.

just forgetting the stats for a moment (and yes I know you were addressing a previous point) the games we have lost the opposing mids have really dominated the coaches votes and score involvements.

Heeney, Warner, Cripps, Walsh, Rayner, Dunkley, Mccluggage, Reid, Kelly.  

So this isn't a one off.   Sure, there's the odd Weitering and Waterman but by and large the midfield opponents of Oliver and Viney and Petracca have really been the influential opposition match winners on our losses. (And even a few of our wins).  They haven't been abysmal but  they've had their colours lowered repeatedly, which is a huge step down.

 

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,606]

4 hours ago, binman said:

We were smashed in cp early, but evened up by game's end

There’s evening up and there’s evening up though. If the other team has a 30point lead before you start evening up it’s not much good - similar thing to the Blues game, we evened a lot of stats out after we let them kick 6.

Better to not get so far behind on either the key stats or the scoreboard. 

[binman 42,903]

2 hours ago, Jjrogan said:

just forgetting the stats for a moment (and yes I know you were addressing a previous point) the games we have lost the opposing mids have really dominated the coaches votes and score involvements.

Heeney, Warner, Cripps, Walsh, Rayner, Dunkley, Mccluggage, Reid, Kelly.  

So this isn't a one off.   Sure, there's the odd Weitering and Waterman but by and large the midfield opponents of Oliver and Viney and Petracca have really been the influential opposition match winners on our losses. (And even a few of our wins).  They haven't been abysmal but  they've had their colours lowered repeatedly, which is a huge step down.

 

This is where there seems to be a disconnect.

Our mids have had their colours lowered because the opposition mids have played well?

That doesn't make sense.

Our mids don't play on their mids. And we don't tag. The ball is bounced and they go their seperate ways.

The one time they play on each other is at stoppages, and as I pointed out we scored almost four more goals from stoppages than them.

So when our mids were head to head with theirs, they pansted them.

If opposition mids gets off the chain, it's not on the mids.

It's on the coaches (eg with the sets ups, choosing to tag or not, pre match plans etc) and the whole team (eg all team defence, all team pressure, all team, spread).

Besides, tracc is number 2 in the afl for score involvements. And up there for coaches votes. So he's going ok.

[Swooper Northey 494]

On 18/03/2024 at 19:56, DeeZone said:

On 18/03/2024 at 21:12, Demon Dynasty said:

I'm not sure Sparrow knew either DZ!

Thanks binman I was watching Sparrow in the replay but couldn’t work out what his role was, have Salo and Billing’s edged him out a bit.??

Sparrow played on a wing for a large portion of the match. He's definitely not a natural winger and I reckon it robbed our midfield of an important rotation. For mine, Woey would have been a better bet on the wing. 

[Swooper Northey 494]

On 18/03/2024 at 19:56, DeeZone said:

On 18/03/2024 at 21:12, Demon Dynasty said:

I'm not sure Sparrow knew either DZ!

Thanks binman I was watching Sparrow in the replay but couldn’t work out what his role was, have Salo and Billing’s edged him out a bit.??

Sparrow played on a wing for a large portion of the match. He's definitely not a natural winger and I reckon it robbed our midfield of an important rotation. For mine, Woey would have been a better bet on the wing. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

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Edited May 20 by Demon Dynasty

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

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[titan_uranus 25,014]

1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

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Does this mean worst game since then, or worst season to date since then?