4 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

After the Vic metro v SA under 18 match on the weekend, I will add Murphy Reid to this midfielder list, perhaps looking that he would be around pick 20 or 21. 

Dees should try to get say the eagles 2nd round 2024 pick to get him … and offer up our MFC next years 2025 first round with other pick swaps too.  

The Suns have pick 20( one of Norths end of first round free hits) which they will probably be willing to trade giving they have 3 first round picks and a academy player rated in the top 10. 

Luke Trainor is shaping up to be an out and out star KPD. Given where we are, he maybe available. Given our KPD stocks many on here may suggest we already have the May replacement, but im not convinced. 

Big decision on what we do with our 1st Pick. Do we chase another star midfielder with our 1st pick or a KPD. The midfield stocks are pretty good here so i wonder if we trade into the first round.

It would be a juicy proposition for clubs in the bottom 8 to consider swapping our F1 as this year has shown we are vulnerable. GCS have pick 8 and 10 atm. So we may look to make a deal with GCS Pick 8 by using our F1 and Pick 38 for example.

Foxsports with a decent summary of the draft state of play with 2 weeks of Champs play remaining:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-prospects-2024-date-national-under-18-championships-results-power-rankings-murphy-reid-isaac-kako-levi-ashcroft/news-story/f5aead6ac91a5ed5da0bc3a4016c9b37

An article about the standout players among this year’s crop of APS players. 

Draft watch: The APS school footy standouts who have impressed throughout the 2024 season

Here they are in summary because it’s behind a firewall:

Tairon Ah-Mu, Haileybury College (he’s also an MFC NGA)

“The bottom-age ruckman has been in Haileybury College's best nearly every week. In addition to racking up the hit-outs, Ah-Mu can, and has, hit the scoreboard. Once he fills in his frame a bit more, he will be incredibly difficult to stop.”

Jasper Alger, Caulfield Grammar - an exciting goal kicker.

Harry Armstrong, Haileybury College - kicked 10 in his last game against Melbourne Grammar.

Levi Ashcroft, Brighton Grammar - son of Marcus and brother of Will is on his way to Brisbane.

Jesse Dattoli, Carey Grammar - impressed for Vic Metro. Gets the ball and can kick goals.

Tom Evans, Xavier College - school captain and a prolific inside midfielder.

Archer Hanegraaf, Geelong College - contested ball winner.

Lenny Hoffman, Brighton Grammar - St Kilda NGA product. 

Taj Hotton, Haileybury College - brother of Ollie recently sustained an ACL injury which will keep him on the sidelines for an extended period of time.

Xavier Ivisic, Geelong Grammar - plays midfield nicely both on the inside and outside.

Ben Kennedy, Xavier College - lockdown defender from the Murray Bushrangers who can also go forward.

Doug Kerr, St Kevin's - a Collingwood NGA.

Felix Kneipp, Wesley College - a smooth-moving midfielder.

Sam Lalor, Geelong Grammar - amassed 42 disposals, 22. contested possessions and two goals in his last game against St Kevin's.

Sam Marshall, Melbourne Grammar - another Brisbane Lions Academy prospect.

Bailey McKenzie, Brighton Grammar  - consistently in the best players.

Harry O'Farrell, St Kevin's - AFL Academy plays in a key defensive position.

Riley Onley, Scotch College - contested midfielder.

Flynn Penry, Geelong Grammar - a dominant ruckman who gets plenty of the football.

Angus Phillips, St Kevin's - high possession midfielder who kicks goals.

Murphy Reid, Caulfield Grammar

“The potential no.1 pick has been a clearance beast at APS level this season. Prior to his dominant national championships, Reid was winning his fair share of possessions for Caulfield Grammar but was having his biggest say at stoppage. In one game this year, more than 50 per cent of Reid's disposals for the day were clearances.“

Ben Rongdit, Geelong Grammar - bottom age Cats Next Generation Academy.

River Stevens, Geelong College - son of dual North Melbourne premiership player Anthony.

Nathaniel Sulzberger, Caulfield Grammar - Tasmanian who started the APS season as one of the early bolters in this year's draft and has maintained his trajectory.

Luke Trainor, Brighton Grammar - highly rated with great football pedigree.

Miles Tyrer, Melbourne Grammar - bottom-age ruckman.

Ollie Warburton, Caulfield Grammar - classy wingman.

Archie Watt, Xavier College - midfielder who consistently hits the scoreboard.

Levi West, Carey Grammar - son of five-time All-Australian Scott West and brother of Bulldog Rhylee.

The concession to clubs livid about northern academies is that NGA bid limitations could drop away from next season.

Getting access to Tairon Ah-Mu might be a nice square up for losing Mac Andrew to GC.

29 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

The concession to clubs livid about northern academies is that NGA bid limitations could drop away from next season.

Getting access to Tairon Ah-Mu might be a nice square up for losing Mac Andrew to GC.

A genuinely exciting ruck/fwd prospect. Would indeed be nice if we got access.

4 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

The concession to clubs livid about northern academies is that NGA bid limitations could drop away from next season.

Getting access to Tairon Ah-Mu might be a nice square up for losing Mac Andrew to GC.

yes, but ah-mu is this season, i believe?

so not only do we miss out on another nga this year if he goes inside 40 but next year it's that much harder for us to access kalani white

mfcss holds true - when things are glum there's worse to come

 

27 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

yes, but ah-mu is this season, i believe?

so not only do we miss out on another nga this year if he goes inside 40 but next year it's that much harder for us to access kalani white

mfcss holds true - when things are glum there's worse to come

 

He'll be in next years draft. 

 

2 minutes ago, Nascent said:

He'll be in next years draft. 

 

ah-ha

17 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

An article about the standout players among this year’s crop of APS players. 

Draft watch: The APS school footy standouts who have impressed throughout the 2024 season

Here they are in summary because it’s behind a firewall:

Tairon Ah-Mu, Haileybury College (he’s also an MFC NGA)

“The bottom-age ruckman has been in Haileybury College's best nearly every week. In addition to racking up the hit-outs, Ah-Mu can, and has, hit the scoreboard. Once he fills in his frame a bit more, he will be incredibly difficult to stop.”

Jasper Alger, Caulfield Grammar - an exciting goal kicker.

Harry Armstrong, Haileybury College - kicked 10 in his last game against Melbourne Grammar.

Levi Ashcroft, Brighton Grammar - son of Marcus and brother of Will is on his way to Brisbane.

Jesse Dattoli, Carey Grammar - impressed for Vic Metro. Gets the ball and can kick goals.

Tom Evans, Xavier College - school captain and a prolific inside midfielder.

Archer Hanegraaf, Geelong College - contested ball winner.

Lenny Hoffman, Brighton Grammar - St Kilda NGA product. 

Taj Hotton, Haileybury College - brother of Ollie recently sustained an ACL injury which will keep him on the sidelines for an extended period of time.

Xavier Ivisic, Geelong Grammar - plays midfield nicely both on the inside and outside.

Ben Kennedy, Xavier College - lockdown defender from the Murray Bushrangers who can also go forward.

Doug Kerr, St Kevin's - a Collingwood NGA.

Felix Kneipp, Wesley College - a smooth-moving midfielder.

Sam Lalor, Geelong Grammar - amassed 42 disposals, 22. contested possessions and two goals in his last game against St Kevin's.

Sam Marshall, Melbourne Grammar - another Brisbane Lions Academy prospect.

Bailey McKenzie, Brighton Grammar  - consistently in the best players.

Harry O'Farrell, St Kevin's - AFL Academy plays in a key defensive position.

Riley Onley, Scotch College - contested midfielder.

Flynn Penry, Geelong Grammar - a dominant ruckman who gets plenty of the football.

Angus Phillips, St Kevin's - high possession midfielder who kicks goals.

Murphy Reid, Caulfield Grammar

“The potential no.1 pick has been a clearance beast at APS level this season. Prior to his dominant national championships, Reid was winning his fair share of possessions for Caulfield Grammar but was having his biggest say at stoppage. In one game this year, more than 50 per cent of Reid's disposals for the day were clearances.“

Ben Rongdit, Geelong Grammar - bottom age Cats Next Generation Academy.

River Stevens, Geelong College - son of dual North Melbourne premiership player Anthony.

Nathaniel Sulzberger, Caulfield Grammar - Tasmanian who started the APS season as one of the early bolters in this year's draft and has maintained his trajectory.

Luke Trainor, Brighton Grammar - highly rated with great football pedigree.

Miles Tyrer, Melbourne Grammar - bottom-age ruckman.

Ollie Warburton, Caulfield Grammar - classy wingman.

Archie Watt, Xavier College - midfielder who consistently hits the scoreboard.

Levi West, Carey Grammar - son of five-time All-Australian Scott West and brother of Bulldog Rhylee.

Thanks for Posting. From a Caulfield point of view surprised that Retschko wasn’t mentioned as a classy wingman. Absolutely gobsmacked that Marlon Neocleous wasn’t listed. A very bottom age exciting small forward one to watch for the future. 

4 hours ago, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Thanks for Posting. From a Caulfield point of view surprised that Retschko wasn’t mentioned as a classy wingman. Absolutely gobsmacked that Marlon Neocleous wasn’t listed. A very bottom age exciting small forward one to watch for the future. 

Agreed. Retschko is definitely a draft chance 

If we're looking at mids for our first pick then Langford and Lalor would be great candidates.

Assuming Smillie, O'Sullivan, Smith, Reid and Draper are out of range.

There's a lot of quality talls in this draft as well, I wouldn't be upset if we took 4-5 picks this year.

Long time Bigfooty poster Davo-27 has issued his July 2024 Rankings - Top 52

1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh Chargers (VC) - 182cm
2. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham Dragons (Brisbane FS) - 179cm
3. Leonardo Lombard - GCS Academy - 178cm
4. Sid Draper - South Adelaide - 180cm
5. Josh Smillie - Eastern Ranges - 194cm
6. Jonty Faull - GWV Rebels - 195cm
7. Luke Trainor - Sandringham Dragons - 194cm
8. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo Pioneers - 187cm
9. Harry O'Farrell - Calder Cannons - 196cm
10. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh Chargers - 181cm
11. Taj Hotton - Sandringham Dragons - 182cm (ACL injury)
12. Josh Murphy - Murray Bushrangers - 190cm
13. Tyler Welsh - WWT (Adelaide FS)- 191cm
14. Christian Moraes - Eastern Ranges - 183cm
15. Murphy Reid - Sandringham Dragons - 180cm
16. Jack Whitlock - Murray Bushrangers  - 200cm
17. Harvey Langford - Dandenong Stingrays - 190cm
18. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg (Carlton FS) - 186cm
19. Sam Marshall - Sandringham Dragons (Brisbane Academy) - 185cm
20. Sam Lalor - GWV Rebels - 187cm
21. Bo Allan - Peel - 191cm
22. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg (Carlton FS) - 185cm
23. Joe Berry - Murray Bushrangers - 180cm
24. Tom Gross - Oakleigh Chargers - 181cm
25. Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo Pioneers (NSW) - 194cm
26. Cooper Hynes - Dandenong Stingrays - 190cm
27. Phoenix Hargrave - South Adelaide - 182cm
28. Kayle Gerreyn - West Perth - 199cm
29. Thomas Sims - Northern Knights - 199cm
30. Matt Whitlock - Murray Bushrangers - 197cm
31. Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland - 183cm
32. Noah Mraz - Dandenong Stingrays - 198cm
33. Zaydyn Lockwood - Bendigo Pioneers - 198cm
34. Isaac Kako - Calder Cannons (Essendon NGA) - 175cm
35. Jesse Dattoli - Northern Knights - 179cm
36. Zak Johnson - Northern Knights - 185cm
37. Patrick Retschko - Oakleigh Chargers - 186cm
38. Malakai Champion - Subiaco (WCE NGA) - 172cm
39. Damon Hollow - Calder Cannons - 180cm
40. Lucas McInerney - Northern Knights - 180cm
41. Kade Herbert - WWT - 184cm
42. Lucca Grego - Western Jets - 184cm
43. Doug Kerr - Oakleigh Chargers (ACL injury/Collingwood NGA) - 192cm 
44. Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo Pioneers - 186cm
45. Hugh Boxshall - Clare - 187cm
46. Oliver Depaoli-Kubank - Tasmania - 178cm
47. Evan Bradley - North Adelaide - 174cm
48. Jacob Newton - Norwood - 178cm
49. Luke Urquhart - East Fremantle - 190cm
50. Jasper Alger - Oakleigh Chargers (VC) -182cm
51. Xavier Ivisic - Geelong Falcons  - 180cm
52. Charlie Nicholls - Central District - 197cm

On 06/07/2024 at 11:08, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Thanks for Posting. From a Caulfield point of view surprised that Retschko wasn’t mentioned as a classy wingman. Absolutely gobsmacked that Marlon Neocleous wasn’t listed. A very bottom age exciting small forward one to watch for the future. 

Has to be related to Harvey down at Casey?

2 minutes ago, Roger Mellie said:

Has to be related to Harvey down at Casey?

Yes he is

Deep draft 

42 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Long time Bigfooty poster Davo-27 has issued his July 2024 Rankings - Top 52

1. Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh Chargers (VC) - 182cm
2. Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham Dragons (Brisbane FS) - 179cm
3. Leonardo Lombard - GCS Academy - 178cm
4. Sid Draper - South Adelaide - 180cm
5. Josh Smillie - Eastern Ranges - 194cm
6. Jonty Faull - GWV Rebels - 195cm
7. Luke Trainor - Sandringham Dragons - 194cm
8. Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo Pioneers - 187cm
9. Harry O'Farrell - Calder Cannons - 196cm
10. Jagga Smith - Oakleigh Chargers - 181cm
11. Taj Hotton - Sandringham Dragons - 182cm (ACL injury)
12. Josh Murphy - Murray Bushrangers - 190cm
13. Tyler Welsh - WWT (Adelaide FS)- 191cm
14. Christian Moraes - Eastern Ranges - 183cm
15. Murphy Reid - Sandringham Dragons - 180cm
16. Jack Whitlock - Murray Bushrangers  - 200cm
17. Harvey Langford - Dandenong Stingrays - 190cm
18. Ben Camporeale - Glenlg (Carlton FS) - 186cm
19. Sam Marshall - Sandringham Dragons (Brisbane Academy) - 185cm
20. Sam Lalor - GWV Rebels - 187cm
21. Bo Allan - Peel - 191cm
22. Lucas Camporeale - Glenlg (Carlton FS) - 185cm
23. Joe Berry - Murray Bushrangers - 180cm
24. Tom Gross - Oakleigh Chargers - 181cm
25. Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo Pioneers (NSW) - 194cm
26. Cooper Hynes - Dandenong Stingrays - 190cm
27. Phoenix Hargrave - South Adelaide - 182cm
28. Kayle Gerreyn - West Perth - 199cm
29. Thomas Sims - Northern Knights - 199cm
30. Matt Whitlock - Murray Bushrangers - 197cm
31. Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland - 183cm
32. Noah Mraz - Dandenong Stingrays - 198cm
33. Zaydyn Lockwood - Bendigo Pioneers - 198cm
34. Isaac Kako - Calder Cannons (Essendon NGA) - 175cm
35. Jesse Dattoli - Northern Knights - 179cm
36. Zak Johnson - Northern Knights - 185cm
37. Patrick Retschko - Oakleigh Chargers - 186cm
38. Malakai Champion - Subiaco (WCE NGA) - 172cm
39. Damon Hollow - Calder Cannons - 180cm
40. Lucas McInerney - Northern Knights - 180cm
41. Kade Herbert - WWT - 184cm
42. Lucca Grego - Western Jets - 184cm
43. Doug Kerr - Oakleigh Chargers (ACL injury/Collingwood NGA) - 192cm 
44. Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo Pioneers - 186cm
45. Hugh Boxshall - Clare - 187cm
46. Oliver Depaoli-Kubank - Tasmania - 178cm
47. Evan Bradley - North Adelaide - 174cm
48. Jacob Newton - Norwood - 178cm
49. Luke Urquhart - East Fremantle - 190cm
50. Jasper Alger - Oakleigh Chargers (VC) -182cm
51. Xavier Ivisic - Geelong Falcons  - 180cm
52. Charlie Nicholls - Central District - 197cm

Yes a good listing, though I’m a buyer if these players are available at those picks

10-Jagga Smith… I rate him top 5

14- Christian Moraes… rate him pick 7-8

31 - Xavier Lindsay… rate him pick 15-17

36- Zak Johnson… rate him pick 19-20

41- Kade Herbert… rate him pick 25-28

thats good buying 

I haven’t seen as much of the National Championships and Coates League games as I have in the past but it seems fairly clear to me that there’s one glaring difference between this year and the last.

In 2023, it was Harley Reid first and daylight next.  At the head of the following pack was Colby McKercher so North did well to snare him, although the lure of Tasmania will soon be a factor with him. 

Time will tell, but I think Jason Taylor has done well to get Caleb Windsor and Koltyn Tholstrup although I felt at the time that with our draft hand, we could have tried for one more young player from the top 40 players.

By way of contrast, 2024 is far more open and there is a plethora of opinion as to who fits into the top dozen players. There are candidates from everywhere putting their hands up so having first pick in this draft won’t be as big a deal on the face of it, as last year. 

For example, hard nosed midfielder Harvey Langford who appeals to me as the prototypical Jason Taylor selection and who shared the Larke Medal was ranked at only 17 by Davo-27 (see above). 

The Power rankings and Phantom drafts that come out in coming months are going to be interesting. 

The AFL Website has released its draft order based on current ladder position:

R1 Melb  - Pick 11

R2 Melb - Pick 38 (tied to Syd)

R3 Melb - Pick 42 (tied Saints)

R3 Melb - Pick 47 (tied to Bulldogs)

R4 Melb - Pick 67

That’s a pretty good summation @Whispering_Jack. Cal Twomey will likely release his phantom form guide this week now the Champs are done, wil be interesting reading.

I think we’re well placed to use that 2nd rd pick & two 3rd’s to pinch a first rounder from either Carlton, Brisbane or Gold Coast who all have first rd f/s or academy players coming through. 

Speak to anyone in AFL circles and they will tell you Petty will again ask to be traded. That should give us some more draft capital. 

If the top 40 is as deep as one people and posters think, it represents a good chance for us to pickup 3-4 players.

9 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

That’s a pretty good summation @Whispering_Jack. Cal Twomey will likely release his phantom form guide this week now the Champs are done, wil be interesting reading.

I think we’re well placed to use that 2nd rd pick & two 3rd’s to pinch a first rounder from either Carlton, Brisbane or Gold Coast who all have first rd f/s or academy players coming through. 

based on current points a bundle of 38. 42, 47 is equivalent of pick 14... so right on the money for baggers and the bears' likely first rounder

that depends on when the value cut-off for points is; last bit of speculation i saw was that it was expected to be end of third round, so after pick 54, so all those three picks will retain some value, if not as much as now

if we did those three picks for baggers first rounder i'd be curious to see if the recruitment dept would add it to our 11 and see if we can get higher again

it seems to have been our modus operandi since the advent of future picks

2 minutes ago, JJJ said:

Speak to anyone in AFL circles and they will tell you Petty will again ask to be traded. That should give us some more draft capital. 

If the top 40 is as deep as one people and posters think, it represents a good chance for us to pickup 3-4 players.

he can ask to his heart's content...

i personally wouldn't rule the pear out of chasing him either fwiw

premiership talls who are 24 years old, can play either end - and even pinch hit (sort of!) in the ruck - aren't dime a dozen

50 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

he can ask to his heart's content...

i personally wouldn't rule the pear out of chasing him either fwiw

premiership talls who are 24 years old, can play either end - and even pinch hit (sort of!) in the ruck - aren't dime a dozen

He's an RFA so either this year or next, the balls in our court. 

Given Adelaide have a F/S at ~ 10-15, they don't need their Pick 5 so we could give them Petty, 38 and 42 (for points) in exchange for Pick 5. They could alternatively try to split #5 with GCS 8 and 9, and use one of those picks for Petts whilst holding onto a pick for points, but it requires more from Adelaide to make that work. 

We are winners either way i think. Either hold onto Petts, which will be better for it in 2025 with a full pre-season or we get a top 10 pick. 

I would expect Hamish Davis may climb into top 50, played midfield in WAFL colts on the weekend for the first time I believe 40 possessions 18 contested.

With previous proven scoreboard impact and at 191cm, huge tank I anticipate clubs to have more interest