Jump to content

Featured Replies

5 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Yep

And his two last seasons with the Crows he was subbed off 6 times.

Happy to give him a few games but I don't know why people are talking about him like an 18 y.o we just drafted and needing time to develop. At 28 he's not getting bigger or faster, at 50 games he would have a rough understanding of the pace of the game.

Need to see some improvement reasonably sharpish.

 
14 hours ago, old55 said:

Are you specifically talking about scores per i50 or overall scores for, or both?

In that period we had much greater scores against in both categories. Subsequently we spent big on KPDs not KPFs, and we modified our style to become the best defensive team in the league and that has had a negative flow on effect to our scoring metrics, but as @rjay observes, our ladder position has improved overall.  Chaplin looks like a genius and Stafford has suffered for the cause.

As has been widely noted, this year we're trying to rebalance the ledger to score more but without sacrificing fundamental defence-first and it's a work in progress.

No our scoring efficieny inside 50. 
 

Yes we have had a defence first mindset but our forward structure imo has been completely lacking. At games our fwd line doesn’t move, they stick hands in the air etc. it’s incredibly frustrating.

love Stafford but I’d rather keep him as a ruck coach and get fresh eyes in

14 hours ago, rjay said:

...and where did we finish on the ladder in those years?

That makes it even worse…..

 
2 hours ago, Tracca said:

No our scoring efficieny inside 50. 
 

Yes we have had a defence first mindset but our forward structure imo has been completely lacking. At games our fwd line doesn’t move, they stick hands in the air etc. it’s incredibly frustrating.

love Stafford but I’d rather keep him as a ruck coach and get fresh eyes in

What in the heaven do you like about Staff?  Prey tell?? 

1 hour ago, 58er said:

What in the heaven do you like about Staff?  Prey tell?? 

Me?

as a ruck coach he’s made our captain the best of the modern era.


4 hours ago, 58er said:

What in the heaven do you like about Staff?  Prey tell?? 

Doesn’t matter what any of us think of Staff. The players adore him, as does Goody. Everyone at the club loves him. His coaching prowess aside, he’s invaluable in terms of his relationship with the boys. And that matters too. 

39 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Doesn’t matter what any of us think of Staff. The players adore him, as does Goody. Everyone at the club loves him. His coaching prowess aside, he’s invaluable in terms of his relationship with the boys. And that matters too. 

The ol' good bloke discount? 

2 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Doesn’t matter what any of us think of Staff. The players adore him, as does Goody. Everyone at the club loves him. His coaching prowess aside, he’s invaluable in terms of his relationship with the boys. And that matters too. 

I’m sure Staff is a ripping bloke. I’m more than happy to have him coaching the likes of Max, JvR, Petty, Fullarton (?), BBB and our new recruit in ruck craft.
But when it comes to coaching players where to position themselves inside the forward 50, how to rove to a pack etc he’s not drawing on his experience. We could well use the likes of Matthew Lloyd, J Brown or even Eddie Betts.

 
11 hours ago, M_9 said:

I’m sure Staff is a ripping bloke. I’m more than happy to have him coaching the likes of Max, JvR, Petty, Fullarton (?), BBB and our new recruit in ruck craft.
But when it comes to coaching players where to position themselves inside the forward 50, how to rove to a pack etc he’s not drawing on his experience. We could well use the likes of Matthew Lloyd, J Brown or even Eddie Betts.

Weird situation where a guy who was a ruck is the forward coach, we're probably the only club that does and everyone complains about our dysfunctional forward line.

1 hour ago, samcantstandya said:

Weird situation where a guy who was a ruck is the forward coach, we're probably the only club that does and everyone complains about our dysfunctional forward line.

Only club with a forward coach that was a non-forward when they played?

Lets check...

Adelaide - Scott Burns
Brisbane - Murray Davis
Carlton - Jordan Russell
Collingwood - Justin Leppitsch
Essendon - Dale Tapping
Fremantle - Jaymie Graham
Geelong - James Rahilly
Gold Coast - Brad Miller
GWS - Jeremy Laidler
Hawthorn - Adrian Hickmott
North Melbourne - Xavier Clarke
Port Adelaide - Chad Cornes
Richmond - Kane Lambert
St Kilda - Robert Harvey
Sydney - Jarrad McVeigh
West Coast - Matthew Knights
Western Bulldogs - Matt Spangher

Not many names who can draw on their experience as forwards amongst that lot.


23 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Doesn’t matter what any of us think of Staff. The players adore him, as does Goody. Everyone at the club loves him. His coaching prowess aside, he’s invaluable in terms of his relationship with the boys. And that matters too. 

Footy Clubs pay on results and not on lovefests. 

As the resident gatekeeper to all players coaches and occasionally others you don’t have to defend every person let alone pull the good bloke and adoring players card. 

ICYHMI most Clubs are full “of good blokes and of  being adored” by players. 

But in a W and L world results are paramount. And in this regard Staff has failed as a forward Coach. I won’t even attempt  to list to support this fact our troubles are legendary despite nearly having our full list of forwards plus back man who I rate  highly as potential or possible savours no visible improvement has occurred over 3 seasons. 

Perfect opportunity to change with new coach McQualter and get a different plan. But no another trick Goody has missed or will do too late, or as a reactive decision he is so good at. 

We all know the definition of insanity……..!!! 

WCW coming into this forum in your position does not mean you have to defend every person who you like to us others who don’t have inner contact or relationships. Our position is clear and I for one don’t doubt that 98 of 100 Dees players officials etc. are good blokes, ladies etc. 

They know they are in the public forum and despite that still put their hand up to do a job. The AFL Tribunal may excuse them ( like Clarke again!!) but as paid employees they are not paid to be good samaritans but successful coaches and players. If they don’t succeed on results they should be subject to criticism and their position based on merit. 

Staffs claims  as a forward player are underwhelming and his coaching of our forwards leaves plenty to be desired. 

There is a time frame and it’s run out and the FD and Goody are dropping the ball on this one. 

I now expect your inevitable reply playing good guy to Staff and bad guy to me for my point of view but I am thicker than you and can cop plenty of criticism. 

But I am certain this one is a winner and what  is needed is a mid season coaches draft change as necessary pronto!! 

 


 

 

1 hour ago, 58er said:

Footy Clubs pay on results and not on lovefests. 

As the resident gatekeeper to all players coaches and occasionally others you don’t have to defend every person let alone pull the good bloke and adoring players card. 

ICYHMI most Clubs are full “of good blokes and of  being adored” by players. 

But in a W and L world results are paramount. And in this regard Staff has failed as a forward Coach. I won’t even attempt  to list to support this fact our troubles are legendary despite nearly having our full list of forwards plus back man who I rate  highly as potential or possible savours no visible improvement has occurred over 3 seasons. 

Perfect opportunity to change with new coach McQualter and get a different plan. But no another trick Goody has missed or will do too late, or as a reactive decision he is so good at. 

We all know the definition of insanity……..!!! 

WCW coming into this forum in your position does not mean you have to defend every person who you like to us others who don’t have inner contact or relationships. Our position is clear and I for one don’t doubt that 98 of 100 Dees players officials etc. are good blokes, ladies etc. 

They know they are in the public forum and despite that still put their hand up to do a job. The AFL Tribunal may excuse them ( like Clarke again!!) but as paid employees they are not paid to be good samaritans but successful coaches and players. If they don’t succeed on results they should be subject to criticism and their position based on merit. 

Staffs claims  as a forward player are underwhelming and his coaching of our forwards leaves plenty to be desired. 

There is a time frame and it’s run out and the FD and Goody are dropping the ball on this one. 

I now expect your inevitable reply playing good guy to Staff and bad guy to me for my point of view but I am thicker than you and can cop plenty of criticism. 

But I am certain this one is a winner and what  is needed is a mid season coaches draft change as necessary pronto!! 

 


 

 

Fair enough 58er. But I really need to make one thing crystal clear: I don’t defend everybody. It just seems that way because those people I don’t defend, I choose not to mention.

In Staffy’s case… yes, I find him a lovely, friendly person but what I think of him doesn’t matter one iota. I was just sharing what I’ve been told by those whose opinion of him does matter, ie. he’s very much loved and respected by seemingly everyone there.

Incidentally, when you say you’re thicker than I am, you do mean ‘thicker-skinned’ right? 😉 

Edited by WalkingCivilWar

i don't understand that apathy towards stafford at all

as forwards coach he has seen multiple players turned into key forwards, players develop to ability the go into the ruck as pinch-hitters, and fritsch has become the best medium forward in the game, with pickett one of the top five or so small forwards

that's a pretty great resume i would've thought

Edited by whatwhat say what


4 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i can't get over that he can't kick more than 30m

he provides nothing in terms of defensive pressure either

very disappointed

He did try one tackle and ended up hurting himself, that'll teach him won't be making that mistake again

7 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i can't get over that he can't kick more than 30m

he provides nothing in terms of defensive pressure either

very disappointed

It just look like he doesn't try,  a bit like fritsch, if the other team has the ball he won't get out of a jog 

I'm so disappointed with JT. Recruiting has been shocking this year. Mabior chol was up for grabs and we didn't even enquire 

1 minute ago, Bates Mate said:

He did try one tackle and ended up hurting himself, that'll teach him won't be making that mistake again

Not he hurt his shoulder before that, it looked bad, was just in front of me. For some reason he played out the game, the tackle was in the next quarter, he was clearly playing hurt for last quarter and a half. Those around me also saw it, we were all shocked he remained on the ground

4 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Not he hurt his shoulder before that, it looked bad, was just in front of me. For some reason he played out the game, the tackle was in the next quarter, he was clearly playing hurt for last quarter and a half. Those around me also saw it, we were all shocked he remained on the ground

Bad shoulder or not, he should be able to make the distance from 35 out


When Darren Burgess says you aren’t fit enough son - listen.

I hope McAdam has more in him next year, the talent is clear.

But we paid overs for a lemon right now

Early days, but a forward who can’t kick over 30m shouldn’t be playing at this level. Either his body is cooked, or his confidence is cooked. 

Don’t blame him blame the recruiters a complete disaster was predictable

 
5 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

When Darren Burgess says you aren’t fit enough son - listen.

I hope McAdam has more in him next year, the talent is clear.

But we paid overs for a lemon right now

Off season this year

Out: Grundy, Jordan, harmes

In: mcadam, billings 

That is what I call stitched up. Absolute disgrace


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • NON-MFC: Round 10

    The Sir Doug Nicholls Round kicks off in Darwin with a Top 4 clash between the Suns and the Hawks. On Friday night the Swans will be seeking to rebound from a challenging start to the season, while the Blues have the Top 8 in their sights after their sluggish start. Saturdays matches kick off with a blockbuster between the Collingwood and Kuwarna with the Magpies looking to maintain their strong form and the Crows aiming to make a statement on the road. The Power face a difficult task to revive their season against a resilient Cats side looking to make amends for their narrow loss last week. The Giants aim to reinforce their top-eight status, while the Dockers will be looking to break the travel hoodoo. The sole Saturday game is a critical matchup for both teams, as the Bulldogs strive to cemet their spot in the top six and the Bombers desperately want break into the 8. Sundays start with a bottom 3 clash between the Tigers and Kangaroos with both teams wanting to avoid the being in wooden spoon contention. The Round concludes with the Eagles still searching for their first win of the season, while the Saints look to keep their finals hopes alive with a crucial away victory. Who are you tipping and what are the best results for the Demons?

      • Thanks
    • 1 reply
    Demonland
  • PREVIEW: Brisbane

    And just like that, we’re Narrm again. Even though the annual AFL Sir Doug Nicholls Round which commemorates the contributions of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture to our game has been a welcome addition to our calendar for ten years, more lately it has been a portent of tough times ahead for we beleaguered Narrm supporters. Ever since the club broke through for its historic 2021 premiership, this has become a troubling time of the year for the club. For example, it all began when Melbourne rebranded itself as Narrm across the two rounds of the Sir Doug Nicholls Round to become the first club to adopt an Indigenous club name especially for the occasion. It won its first outing under the brand against lowly North Melbourne to go to 10 wins and no losses but not without a struggle or a major injury to  star winger Ed Langdon who broke his ribs and missed several weeks. In the following week, still as Narrm, the team’s 17 game winning streak came to an end at the hands of the Dockers. That came along with more injuries, a plague that remained with them for the remainder of the season until, beset by injuries, the Dees were eliminated from the finals in straight sets. It was even worse last year, when Narrm inexplicably lowered its colours in Perth to the Waalit Marawar Eagles. Oh, the shame of it all! At least this year, if there is a corner to turn around, it has to be in the direction of something better. To that end, I produced a special pre-game chant in the local Narrm language - “nam mi:wi winnamun katjil prolin ambi ngamar thamelin amb” which roughly translated is “every heart beats true for the red and the blue.” >y belief is that if all of the Narrm faithful recite it long enough, then it might prove to be the only way to beat the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba on Sunday. The Lions are coming off a disappointing draw at Marvel Stadium against a North Melbourne team that lacks the ability and know how to win games (except when playing Melbourne). Brisbane are, however, a different kettle of fish at home and have very few positional weaknesses. They are a midfield powerhouse, strong in defence and have plenty of forward options, particularly their small and medium sized players, to kick a winning score this week after the sting of last week’s below par performance.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 9 replies
    Demonland
  • REPORT: Hawthorn

    There was a time during the current Melbourne cycle that goes back to before the premiership when the club was the toughest to beat in the fourth quarter. The Demons were not only hard to beat at any time but it was virtually impossible to get the better them when scores were close at three quarter time. It was only three or four years ago but they were fit, strong and resilient in body and mind. Sadly, those days are over. This has been the case since the club fell off its pedestal about 12 months ago after it beat Geelong and then lost to Carlton. In both instances, Melbourne put together strong, stirring final quarters, one that resulted in victory, the other, in defeat. Since then, the drop off has been dramatic to the point where it can neither pull off victory in close matches, nor can it even go down in defeat  gallantly.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • CASEY: Footscray

    At twenty-four minutes into the third term of the game between the Casey Demons and Footscray VFL at Whitten Oval, the visitors were coasting. They were winning all over the ground, had the ascendancy in the ruck battles and held a 26 point lead on a day perfect for football. What could go wrong? Everything. The Bulldogs moved into overdrive in the last five minutes of the term and booted three straight goals to reduce the margin to a highly retrievable eight points at the last break. Bouyed by that effort, their confidence was on a high level during the interval and they ran all over the despondent Demons and kicked another five goals to lead by a comfortable margin of four goals deep into the final term before Paddy Cross kicked a couple of too late goals for a despondent Casey. A testament to their lack of pressure in the latter stages of the game was the fact that Footscray’s last ten scoring shots were nine goals and one rushed behind. Things might have been different for the Demons who went into the game after last week’s bye with 12 AFL listed players. Blake Howes was held over for the AFL game but two others, Jack Billings and Taj Woewodin (not officially listed as injured) were also missing and they could have been handy at the end. Another mystery of the current VFL system.

      • Thanks
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • PREGAME: Brisbane

    The Demons head back out on the road in Round 10 when they travel to Queensland to take on the reigning Premiers and the top of the table Lions who look very formidable. Can the Dees cause a massive upset? Who comes in and who goes out?

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 139 replies
    Demonland
  • PODCAST: Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 12th May @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we dissect the Demons loss to the Hawks. Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 52 replies
    Demonland