On 04/03/2023 at 10:43, 58er said:

Whst are the signs that you believe are relevant? IRW 

He hasn't signed yet and it's getting to "signing time" metrics.

There is a credible rumour  he's thinking of going because he  doesn't really like living in Melbourne( not that he doesn't like playing for Melbourne) .

He isn't apparently in an established living situation( aka brought a house) in this town and  the Club is just  saying what tradition requires them to  say when it's  likely out of their hands.

No shortage of choices

I don't KNOW hes gone  but ..

OCCAMS RAZOR 

 

Don't need " indigenous "," family ties" ,  "money", " lonely / no partner" in the theoretical mix 

 

Further more I THINK the wild desperate  philosophy  on here suggests that you all " know" he's likely gone.

I'm very happy to be mistaken 

 

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  On 03/03/2023 at 12:28, layzie said:

I'm looking at a star to wish upon right now. 

Trac or Max?

  On 04/03/2023 at 19:44, IRW said:

He hasn't signed yet and it's getting to "signing time" metrics.

There is a credible rumour  he's thinking of going because he  doesn't really like living in Melbourne( not that he doesn't like playing for Melbourne) .

He isn't apparently in an established living situation( aka brought a house) in this town and  the Club is just  saying what tradition requires them to  say when it's  likely out of their hands.

No shortage of choices

I don't KNOW hes gone  but ..

OCCAMS RAZOR 

 

Don't need " indigenous "," family ties" ,  "money", " lonely / no partner" in the theoretical mix 

 

Further more I THINK the wild desperate  philosophy  on here suggests that you all " know" he's likely gone.

I'm very happy to be mistaken 

 

Yes i have been told similar. He has no “connection” to the City of Melbourne 

But he does love the Coach and the players. 
He is also a huge fan of the new Game Plan this year. 
So it will be an interesting Season 

  On 04/03/2023 at 06:39, Thehardtackler said:

Win the Premiership this year and I think he stays. 

That’s easy then !!!

  On 05/03/2023 at 00:50, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes i have been told similar. He has no “connection” to the City of Melbourne 

But he does love the Coach and the players. 
He is also a huge fan of the new Game Plan this year. 
So it will be an interesting Season 

He has a serious girlfriend who is from Melbourne. Is that not a connection to the city? 
I mean she might be happy to move. But still to say he has no connection to the city of Melbourne sounds incorrect to me. 
Players have moved for partners and equally I’m sure they’ve stayed for partners. 
 

  On 05/03/2023 at 02:10, Jaded No More said:

He has a serious girlfriend who is from Melbourne. Is that not a connection to the city? 
I mean she might be happy to move. But still to say he has no connection to the city of Melbourne sounds incorrect to me. 
Players have moved for partners and equally I’m sure they’ve stayed for partners. 
 

He has No Indigenous connection, different scenario. Not important to you or i, but it is to Koz

The new Gameplan is to his liking so that  will help with a successful Season 

  On 05/03/2023 at 00:50, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes i have been told similar. He has no “connection” to the City of Melbourne 

But he does love the Coach and the players. 
He is also a huge fan of the new Game Plan this year. 
So it will be an interesting Season 

Yep and all the more interesting if  'Land and the press dont rattle on about it and just concentrate on the footy.

Please please please stfu( not you in particular)

ps how do you " know" he's a huge plan of the new game plan and what is it  given that we havnt actually seen it?

Do you mean he's keen on midfield time?

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  On 05/03/2023 at 02:39, IRW said:

Yep and all the more interesting if  'Land and the press dont rattle on about it and just concentrate on the footy.

Please please please stfu( not you in particular)

ps how do you " know" he's a huge plan of the new game plan and what is it  given that we havnt actually seen it?

Do you mean he's keen on midfield time?

So we'll all stfu but you can keep on asking questions?.....just saying :)

  On 04/03/2023 at 19:44, IRW said:

He hasn't signed yet and it's getting to "signing time" metrics.

There is a credible rumour  he's thinking of going because he  doesn't really like living in Melbourne( not that he doesn't like playing for Melbourne) .

He isn't apparently in an established living situation( aka brought a house) in this town and  the Club is just  saying what tradition requires them to  say when it's  likely out of their hands.

No shortage of choices

I don't KNOW hes gone  but ..

OCCAMS RAZOR 

 

Don't need " indigenous "," family ties" ,  "money", " lonely / no partner" in the theoretical mix 

 

Further more I THINK the wild desperate  philosophy  on here suggests that you all " know" he's likely gone.

I'm very happy to be mistaken 

 

The odds of him going are  clearly high, given these tend to get sorted out sooner rather than later. 

LJ's situation clearly taught us that we are not bulletproof to loosing good players. As much as many say Kozzie is different than LJ, there will be lots of people in his ear. He'll probably be paying close attention to what his family says and if they are anything like the Jackson's, we are in trouble. Let's hope uncle Byron can put aside his allegiances and advise Kozzy on what is best for his career and that is as a one-club player. To counter this, Brayshaw left his contract decision to the 11th hour and whilst we all thought he too was gone, reminds us that it is still possible to get a signature deep into a contract year. He doesnt seem to be a sell-out or a money grabber.

His girlfriend situation gives us something, but really it can go both ways unless there is something that is keeping her bound to Melbourne. 

  On 05/03/2023 at 03:02, Roost it far said:

So we'll all stfu but you can keep on asking questions?.....just saying :)

I really don't ask many questions 

On this I put a simple proposition ; apply Occam's Razor 

In this case why hasn't he signed by now?

And immediately people rolled up with multiple theories 

The simplest answer is just that he is not  going to.

The refutation is Brayshaw..the difference is he was upfront about looking at other options. 

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  On 05/03/2023 at 02:39, IRW said:

 

ps how do you " know" he's a huge plan of the new game plan and what is it  given that we havnt actually seen it?

Do you mean he's keen on midfield time?

Connections inside the walls give me information sporadically. 
Yes he loves the Midfield role and is very enthusiastic. 
Did not enjoy most of last year, do not know specifics on that. But I think the Club realized they had to change things up. There are other things i have been told in confidence…

Bring on ‘23

  On 05/03/2023 at 03:26, Sir Why You Little said:

Connections inside the walls give me information sporadically. 
Yes he loves the Midfield role and is very enthusiastic. 
Did not enjoy most of last year, do not know specifics on that. But I think the Club realized they had to change things up. There are other things i have been told in confidence…

Bring on ‘23

Thanks ,I don't imagine  players or fans enjoyed the last half of last season....playing the skipper I jued from when they were 10 nil and not trying depth players, not adjusting tactics that had been sorted out by the other teams etc etc.

The Club / coach was looking pretty complacent/ insensitive/ headstrong/ stupid

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  On 05/03/2023 at 03:29, IRW said:

Thanks ,I don't imagine  players or fans enjoyed the last half of last season.

Yes it all kinda seized up after Round 10. TMac going down for the year was huge. 
The whole structure was diluted because Weiderman wasn’t the answer. 
We have recruited for the now and I applaud the Club for doing it. They know the time is 2-5 years for serious success 

  On 05/03/2023 at 03:26, Sir Why You Little said:

Connections inside the walls give me information sporadically. 
Yes he loves the Midfield role and is very enthusiastic. 
Did not enjoy most of last year, do not know specifics on that. But I think the Club realized they had to change things up. There are other things i have been told in confidence…

Bring on ‘23

So he wasn't happy with the way he was being played and now he is in an increased midfield role in contract year...

So clearly we are going to great lengths to keep him - its a pity it takes the impact of a contract year to make these types of changes. He should have more midfield time last year with Chandler / Bedford getting more of a run up forward. 

Again, like I said with Jackson, this is no time to be chasing a big money contract at 21 where he really hasn't scratched the surface on his potential. The wise thing to do would be to take a 2 year deal, gain more experience, play your butt off and affirm your status as one of the best small forwards in the comp. The next contract can be about your ego or go-home factor. 

You can say that Jackson got it anyway but I'm not convinced getting that deal will be the best thing for a 50 game player still developing. Time will tell though.

  On 05/03/2023 at 22:43, Gawndy the Great said:

So he wasn't happy with the way he was being played and now he is in an increased midfield role in contract year...

So clearly we are going to great lengths to keep him - its a pity it takes the impact of a contract year to make these types of changes. He should have more midfield time last year with Chandler / Bedford getting more of a run up forward. 

In hindsight yes. The Club made some mistakes last year, but they have come clean on that and have done a lot of work to rectify them. 

I wish it was much harder to march a player to the preseason draft.  Even the threat of that puts all the power with the club the player wants to get to.  Maybe have a rule that players can't register in a preseason draft until 5 years after they were picked in a national draft?  Allow them register for the National Draft again without nominating a contract like they can in the preseason draft.   

 

Also, Wikipedia says Kozzy is the nephew of Byron Pickett (which we all know) AND Neville Jetta.  Can anyone confirm or deny that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kysaiah_Pickett

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  On 06/03/2023 at 01:12, Vipercrunch said:

I wish it was much harder to march a player to the preseason draft.  Even the threat of that puts all the power with the club the player wants to get to.  Maybe have a rule that players can't register in a preseason draft until 5 years after they were picked in a national draft?  Allow them register for the National Draft again without nominating a contract like they can in the preseason draft.   

 

Also, Wikipedia says Kozzy is the nephew of Byron Pickett (which we all know) AND Neville Jetta.  Can anyone confirm or deny that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kysaiah_Pickett

I agree, there has to be something in it for the club if they decide to make that move. For example. if you march him to the draft, the club gets the pick immediately after the one used to snare the uncontracted player. So if Kozzy was to go this year and was taken at pick 3, we would then get pick 4. Doesn't really help with interstate players as go-home-factor would probably put-off a lot of Victorian clubs and its not always going to be equitable, but at least the club has some bargaining power. 

  On 06/03/2023 at 01:12, Vipercrunch said:

I wish it was much harder to march a player to the preseason draft.  Even the threat of that puts all the power with the club the player wants to get to.  Maybe have a rule that players can't register in a preseason draft until 5 years after they were picked in a national draft?  Allow them register for the National Draft again without nominating a contract like they can in the preseason draft.

The players and their managers have all the power in draft & trade situations because of the perpetual threat hanging over the AFL of "restraint of trade". At the minute, it's detente, but the players have the whip hand.

I don't really get the "restraint of trade" argument. It's a unique industry, all the more so because of it's a home-grown sport, and nothing at all like a salaried job. Where else are they going to ply their trade? Denmark?

Not sure we'd want it going too far the other direction though. Only a couple of years back, a major league baseballer was traded during a game, while he was playing centre field. Had to leave the game then and there.

  On 06/03/2023 at 01:12, Vipercrunch said:

 Also, Wikipedia says Kozzy is the nephew of Byron Pickett (which we all know) AND Neville Jetta.  Can anyone confirm or deny that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kysaiah_Pickett

Yep its true. Kozzy lived with Nev and the family when he was first drafted as well. 

According to Tracc on AFL Tonight, he has no doubt Kozzie will stay.

They are close.

We got the right guys around him 

  On 06/03/2023 at 10:49, Redleg said:

According to Tracc on AFL Tonight, he has no doubt Kozzie will stay.

They are close.

That’s a big call I don’t think anyone was definitive on LJ come to think of it. 

  On 06/03/2023 at 10:57, Gawndy the Great said:

That’s a big call I don’t think anyone was definitive on LJ come to think of it. 

Gawn was bullish but he’s the captain. What else was he gonna say? 
 

Trac and Kosi are very close. They lived together at one point. Trac would know way more about Kosi than Kane Cornes 

  On 06/03/2023 at 11:10, Jaded No More said:

Gawn was bullish but he’s the captain. What else was he gonna say? 
 

Trac and Kosi are very close. They lived together at one point. Trac would know way more about Kosi than Kane Cornes 

I watched thebi tee ire Trac. It’s hard with Trac - he starts saying he’s super confident, then once pressed was less certain. End of the interview I was just confused.