CHANGES: Rd 21 vs Collingwood

[Diamond_Jim]

11 minutes ago, Winners at last said:

I know he's not currently in the mix, but if BBB remains injured and Weid doesn't improve I suspect the powers that be will seriously look at Joel Smith as a forward option. If nothing else he has a 'red hot go' and would at least make more of a contest than BBB and Weid. Also, his brain fades would be less damaging on the forward line than the back line.

To use OD's terminology.... that would be corageous

Has rarely played forward . Has scored 1 goal 2 behinds in his career. Back after 16 odd weeks out and didn't star on Saturday.

Our only key forward... I doubt it

[demoncat]

7 minutes ago, Winners at last said:

I know he's not currently in the mix, but if BBB remains injured and Weid doesn't improve I suspect the powers that be will seriously look at Joel Smith as a forward option. If nothing else he has a 'red hot go' and would at least make more of a contest than BBB and Weid. Also, his brain fades would be less damaging on the forward line than the back line.

I'd love to see Joel Smith in the forward line. He's athletic, makes a contest and can take a good grab. It won't be this week - and it might not be this season - but I think he could be a really handy forward for us, especially with a full pre-season under his belt. If Jackson stays, we likely won't be in a position to draft or trade for a KPF for 2023. And even if he goes, we may have to wait another year to go after a tall draft prospect or RFA's like Curnow or McKay. In the meantime, we could utilise Smith as a forward, particularly as we're so well covered for defensive depth. 

[old dee]

4 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

To use OD's terminology.... that would be corageous

Has rarely played forward . Has scored 1 goal 2 behinds in his career. Back after 16 odd weeks out and didn't star on Saturday.

Our only key forward... I doubt it

He played forward last week at Casey and trained with forwards this week. He won't get another game till Saturday week. So who knows. 

[DubDee]

2 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Not the same market.  Friday night is two horse race while the Premiership still has many contenders.

I do get that. just thought it was a interesting quirk

[DubDee]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

28 hours and we will how courageous are selectors are.

Don't want them to be courageous, just to pick the team most likely to win

if it annoys a few fans, it doesn't bother me

[picket fence]

2 hours ago, BScotti said:

I tend to agree.  Lets stick with the Weid for the next couple of weeks and and allow him some consistency and continuity and not take #1 defender.  Chopping and changing in and out of the team and role is not helping his cause.  If after this run he cant impact, he may be playing elsewhere next year.

In - BBB

Out - Melk

No way Melk gets dropped on that game. If Weideman gets a game on his 1 kick assumimg Brown comes in is a disgrace

[old dee]

9 minutes ago, picket fence said:

No way Melk gets dropped on that game. If Weideman gets a game on his 1 kick assumimg Brown comes in is a disgrace

What if Brown doesn't make it? Who then?

[Diamond_Jim]

23 minutes ago, old dee said:

He played forward last week at Casey and trained with forwards this week. He won't get another game till Saturday week. So who knows. 

Watched his game on Saturday.

He got a few touches in the last third of the game but little of merit IMO. Needs another 2-3 games minimum

Joel is permanently unlucky it seems.He has returned from injury around 4 weeks late to really challenge and the VFL bye is simply cream on top of his unlucky pie

[picket fence]

13 minutes ago, old dee said:

What if Brown doesn't make it? Who then?

Van Rooyen Mitch Brown, Joel Smith would all be better

[old dee]

20 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Van Rooyen Mitch Brown, Joel Smith would all be better

Courageous to play JVR as a first year kid against the pies. Smith needs another game at Casey but he won't get that till weekend after next. That leaves MB in my opinion. Has shown very little st senior level this year but it is hard to imagine he would give less than one kick.

[layzie]

Stupid bye weeks.

[1964_2]

What was the year where Joel Smith showed some form as a forward in the pre-season, before getting injured. Maybe 2019? If my memory serves me correctly he kicked 4 in the last pre-season game, looked a million dollars, and it came out after the game that he played a half with an injured hammy

 

[layzie]

Just now, 1964_2 said:

What was the year where Joel Smith showed some form as a forward in the pre-season, before getting injured. Maybe 2019? If my memory serves me correctly he kicked 4 in the last pre-season game, looked a million dollars, and it came out after the game that he played a half with an injured hammy

 

Yeah I reckon that was 2019, total waste.

[picket fence]

Yep  Our version of Jeremy Howe, for the life of me I dont see why we cant trial using him as a bash and crash Kamikaze forward who can take a grab!

[willmoy]

Weideman will be playing, most suitable bloke for the situation I reckon.

[Go the Biff]

26 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

What was the year where Joel Smith showed some form as a forward in the pre-season, before getting injured. Maybe 2019? If my memory serves me correctly he kicked 4 in the last pre-season game, looked a million dollars, and it came out after the game that he played a half with an injured hammy

 

Have a look at the game & you'll be less impressed with his forward craft.

[Go the Biff]

9 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yep  Our version of Jeremy Howe, for the life of me I dont see why we cant trial using him as a bash and crash Kamikaze forward who can take a grab!

Fence, you're an eternal optimist. I'd be loath to use him in a bash & crash kamikaze role given he can get injured just by crossing the boundary line. Accident waiting to happen I'd have thought.

[1964_2]

1 minute ago, Go the Biff said:

Have a look at the game & you'll be less impressed with his forward craft.

Please elaborate?

all I recall is him beating his opponent on the lead with speed (but can’t recall who that opponent was) or much else 

[Go the Biff]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Courageous to play JVR as a first year kid against the pies. Smith needs another game at Casey but he won't get that till weekend after next. That leaves MB in my opinion. Has shown very little st senior level this year but it is hard to imagine he would give less than one kick.

Courageous is one word. I think we need two talls and while JVR's development is pleasing, I reckon if they were going to play him it would have been last week.

Instead he spent Sunday kicking 5 which looks great on the stat sheet but it was against the last placed team full of sparkies, plumbers & pizza delivery dudes.

[Go the Biff]

3 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

Please elaborate?

all I recall is him beating his opponent on the lead with speed (but can’t recall who that opponent was) or much else 

I've done this before having rewatched the game & can't be stuffed trying to find my post. Everyone goes "4 goals, 4 goals - he's a forward". Yeah he kicked 4 but from memory he booted a monster from near the centre circle - wasn't playing forward at the time. One was an opportunistic snap from the pocket. The last couple were when he was on one leg in the goal square & they pretty much landed in his lap. I think his direct opponent was queued at the pie stall for the first of that pair. Maybe snuck off for a cheeky dart for the second. Or perhaps Smithy farted. Whatever happened, he was left alone.
So there was nothing about his game that made me think "you beauty - we have a natural forward here". Believe me I was looking as they are hard to come by & I'd have loved to see Smithy jnr replicate his dad's deeds.

Love him to prove me wrong. Poor bugger has had a wretched run with injury & deserves a change in fortune

[picket fence]

30 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Weideman will be playing, most suitable bloke for the situation I reckon.

Look I was at that game and from what I can remember led well took some "STRONG GRABS" and imposed You just cannot play Weeds again. Who is the last bloke who got 1 Possesion play next week? Surely surely not! 

Edited August 3 by picket fence

[Sydee]

36 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Weideman will be playing, most suitable bloke for the situation I reckon.

What constitutes most suitable in this context ? Having zero impact ?

[Sydee]

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Van Rooyen Mitch Brown, Joel Smith would all be better

Joel Smith would still be my choice from those 3 - physically capable of having an impact against an opposition that is battle hardened

JVR if it was a nothing game against weak opposition but we don't have one of those games left this season - his time will come soon enough after a big summer/pre season

Mitch Brown is not an AFL footballer IMO 

[Demon Dynasty]

Looking more and more like the KTF cupboard is bare unfortunately

Hopefully BBB comes good in time for finals

[jacey]

1 hour ago, Sydee said:

Joel Smith would still be my choice from those 3 - physically capable of having an impact against an opposition that is battle hardened.

Goodwin will want to look at jsmith. He misses Tmacs versatility.

Do a job forward but if one of the big 3 goes down mid game, shift Smith back and bring on a runner. We will always have a runner as sub. 

In most of our losses, we lost the big 3 at key stages n exploited.