7 hours ago, DEE fence said:

Journalists are so precious - next idiotic question to a coach should be followed with the retort 'have you deleted your chat history'.

Caro wants Bevo on a cross, totally over the top, and seriously they worry about his moustache, who are they going after next, Merv, Lillee? They want to turn everything into Disney, it's bloody Australia, chill out Brussel sprout - the Front Bar made more sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW5C9oDb3rQ

Timestamp 47m21s onwards - comment at 49m

 

It wasn’t public but our review identified that Goodwin didn’t have enough support and even the man himself says he wasn’t coping well and needed more help. 

Cue Williams, Yze and a flag.

CW right to criticise Beveridge for that outburst - it was OTT and quite pathetic really.

8 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Morris said something about a workmate he probably shouldn't have in a workplace.
Should have been handled privately by their employer.
Instead the audio got released by someone with a axe to grind and the media in their wisdom thought it appropriate to release it for public consumption.
Poor Megan got caught in the crossfire and should talk to her lawyers about who thought it appropriate to release the audio.
Saw her on daytime tv today looking like someone who hadn't slept for a few days.
 Her employers and the media also have alot to answer for here.

“Probably shouldn’t have”

Really??

Agree that it should have been handled privately. If he had been quietly sacked no one would have noticed or cared. 

And that is an issue, while we want to call out this behaviour it would be good to see respect shown to the people that suffer as a result of the call out. 

9 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Its good to see the club is putting more support around him in the coaching and football department.  But It seems he has isolated himself from the Coaches Association and the AF and is creating a bunker mindset at the Bulldogs.  One can take the 'us against the world' theme a bit too far.

Having difficulty coping doesn't mean having mental health issues and Goodwin is a prime example of finding a path to 'wellness' and coping better.  His path involved seeing the media chat as 'fugazzi', accepting and facing his anxieties and weaknesses, then involving external support.  Among others, Goodwin involved 'healers' and people who helped him focus his energy.  This may be a bit exotic for some but their are many options.  He is an excellent role model for someone like Beveridge to follow.  It isn't 'unmanly' to acknowledge weaknesses and anxieties.

The Coaches Association and the AFL have a program called 'Tackle Your Feelings'.  At the game last week there were TYF ads on the scoreboard with Goodwin featured.  As Beveridge has isolated himself from them I hope there is someone around him that encourages him to tap into this program or something similar.. 

A phone call to Goodwin could help him along the way.

10 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

hate to say it… and i’ll need therapy after I do… but I agree 100% with caro on this. 

32 minutes ago, godees said:

“Probably shouldn’t have”

Really??

Agree that it should have been handled privately. If he had been quietly sacked no one would have noticed or cared. 

Yeah really.
Lots of things get spoken about in workplaces that probably shouldn't.
None of us were privy to Morris conversation or knew her sexual orientation till the media turned it into nationwide gossip.
They're as guilty as anyone if not more so.
Talk about gutter journalism.
 

2 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Yeah really.
Lots of things get spoken about in workplaces that probably shouldn't.
None of us were privy to Morris conversation or knew her sexual orientation till the media turned it into nationwide gossip.
They're as guilty as anyone if not more so.
Talk about gutter journalism.
 

Was trying to imply that “probably” was not an appropriate word in that sentence. People, especially men, need to do better.

Edited March 21, 20223 yr by godees

19 minutes ago, godees said:

Was trying to imply that “probably” was not an appropriate word in that sentence.

 Well there wouldn't be one person here who hasn't been involved in a questionable conversation and if they say they haven't I'll call them liars.

  

 

Edited March 21, 20223 yr by Fork 'em

43 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Yeah really.
Lots of things get spoken about in workplaces that probably shouldn't.
None of us were privy to Morris conversation or knew her sexual orientation till the media turned it into nationwide gossip.
They're as guilty as anyone if not more so.
Talk about gutter journalism.
 

The audio was released on social media, from there it wasn’t private. 
Fox had no control over its release 

11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The audio was released on social media, from there it wasn’t private. 
Fox had no control over its release 

I first heard the audio and discussed by Damian Barrett on "Access all Areas".
Quite possibly linked from this thread.
Now it's clickbait used by multiple media organisations.
Cause the public needs to know.

 

Edited March 21, 20223 yr by Fork 'em

2 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

I first heard the audio and discussed by Damian Barrett on "Access all Areas".
Quite possibly linked from this thread.
Now it's clickbait used by multiple media organisations.
Cause the public needs to know.

 

Yes. But they didn’t have a choice. It was already out. I heard it on Twitter at least an hour before mainstream media mentioned it. 
(an hour is a eternity in media terms today) 

Mainstream Media did not control the output of those Audio grabs

Twitter you say ... Another cesspool.

5 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Twitter you say ... Another cesspool.

Regardless of it’s standing, it is instant and international 

 

2 hours ago, godees said:

Was trying to imply that “probably” was not an appropriate word in that sentence. People, especially men, need to do better.

Just saw your late edit.
Some of the conversations I've heard from women .... Sheesh.

Females have used malicious gossip as their prime weapon for eternity.
Often starts early primary school whereas males will physically intimidate or assault their enemies.

 

Edited March 22, 20223 yr by Fork 'em

12 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Regardless of it’s standing, it is instant and international 

 

And has impact.

1 minute ago, willmoy said:

And has impact.

You cannot delete a tweet once it is posted!!

 

 

28 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You cannot delete a tweet once it is posted!!

The grubs running that swamp can silence who and what they want.
And do.

1 minute ago, Fork 'em said:

The grubs running that swamp can silence who and what they want.
And do.

Yes I know. But once that Audio had been uploaded, it was there to stay

4 hours ago, rpfc said:

CW right to criticise Beveridge for that outburst - it was OTT and quite pathetic really.

Yeah, too bad he’s not a robot with zero emotion, hey. 

To quote Björk Godmundsdóttir regarding the complexity of human behaviour in a song aptly titled Human Behaviour…

“And there is no map. And a compass wouldn’t help at all”

To describe his outburst as ‘pathetic’ at the time of the outburst, ie, before knowing the circumstances/backstory etc. is one thing. But to call it pathetic now is unsympathetic and unfair. IMHO, anyways. 

55 minutes ago, willmoy said:

And has impact.

Because media grubs now trawl it for their "stories".

 

Edited March 22, 20223 yr by Fork 'em

54 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You cannot delete a tweet once it is posted!!

 

 

You can delete but can’t edit once posted

4 minutes ago, godees said:

You can delete but can’t edit once posted

Sorry yes. You are correct 

Maintaining standards is a fast disappearing notion. 

We now live in a era  where we have a 24 hour 7 day week news cycle. We have social media and the vast majority of folks connected to the hourly news cycle. Compare this to the old days with two newspapers per day excluding Sunday, and radio and TV news updates once or twice a day. 

We have a society addicted to news. We have a deterioration in standards across the board be it political, business, organisational and personal. There is an unyielding quest for success (whatever the cost) and a quest for personal gain. 

This plays out in the footy industry.  The monster that is the AFL is driven by executives on monster salaries whose KPIs are centred around commercial and advertising deals and revenue. And marketing. Of keeping footy in the headlines 12 months of the year.  We have clubs operating in a pressure cooker environment where sponsors, coaches, players and fans are driven by the need for success. We have reporters and journalists operating in this environment whose jobs and salaries rely on scoops and competitive advantage. 

There is an increasingly blurred line between real and fake news. No one cares half the time given that folks have the attention span of a gnat and ignore stuff that does not directly affect them. 

What is my point?

I feel sorry for Bevo and I can understand his outburst. Coaches are under enormous pressure and it is aided and abetted by the pack hunting footy scribes. Bevo is a decent human being. From reports, he takes time out to talk with footy fans old and young. 

But in the pressure cooker environment of the media circus he cracked. Unwise but understandable. As we all know, the best way to manage your anger is by silence. Angry responses always result in a backlash. 

Bevo let himself down but I have no doubt he has higher personal standards than most footy scribes. To call most of them journalists lowers the calling of the profession. 

The incident shows how important it is for those in the limelight to act cautiously. The media can be a strong ally but it can also be your worst enemy. The knife in the back will come faster and with more intent than the pat on the back. The Goodwin story is a good example how irrespective of your success there are plenty of people who will try and take you down. 

 

 

52 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Maintaining standards is a fast disappearing notion. 

We now live in a era  where we have a 24 hour 7 day week news cycle. We have social media and the vast majority of folks connected to the hourly news cycle. Compare this to the old days with two newspapers per day excluding Sunday, and radio and TV news updates once or twice a day. 

We have a society addicted to news. We have a deterioration in standards across the board be it political, business, organisational and personal. There is an unyielding quest for success (whatever the cost) and a quest for personal gain. 

This plays out in the footy industry.  The monster that is the AFL is driven by executives on monster salaries whose KPIs are centred around commercial and advertising deals and revenue. And marketing. Of keeping footy in the headlines 12 months of the year.  We have clubs operating in a pressure cooker environment where sponsors, coaches, players and fans are driven by the need for success. We have reporters and journalists operating in this environment whose jobs and salaries rely on scoops and competitive advantage. 

There is an increasingly blurred line between real and fake news. No one cares half the time given that folks have the attention span of a gnat and ignore stuff that does not directly affect them. 

What is my point?

I feel sorry for Bevo and I can understand his outburst. Coaches are under enormous pressure and it is aided and abetted by the pack hunting footy scribes. Bevo is a decent human being. From reports, he takes time out to talk with footy fans old and young. 

But in the pressure cooker environment of the media circus he cracked. Unwise but understandable. As we all know, the best way to manage your anger is by silence. Angry responses always result in a backlash. 

Bevo let himself down but I have no doubt he has higher personal standards than most footy scribes. To call most of them journalists lowers the calling of the profession. 

The incident shows how important it is for those in the limelight to act cautiously. The media can be a strong ally but it can also be your worst enemy. The knife in the back will come faster and with more intent than the pat on the back. The Goodwin story is a good example how irrespective of your success there are plenty of people who will try and take you down. 

 

 

Fantastic post. Really nailed it here Hemingway. In fact its shifted my perception of this whole issue a little bit. 

Fiona Reynolds in Canberra Times wrote a simple article on 16th July 2020, that if listened to, would have already added to the quality of journalism  from the grass roots level upwards even now..