On 10/05/2023 at 19:44, 58er said:

 

Can anyone explain why when we kick out or line up after a goal our defenders are 10/20m away from the their opponents and we still insist on kick outs to go Long all the time and not use  the first kick to our advantage? 

 

Fair question.

I presume its predictability but its also predictable to the oppo. In th pre season we varied our kick ins a lot. Have we reverted to old habits?

Watch the geelong game last year to see how they crushed us at the kick ins by having Blixacvs (!) jump over the top pf Max and smash it 15 m away where the Geelong smalls swept it away. Our players were at the feet of Max. 

Good coaching by Scott. We learned nothing from that game IMO

After May went to King and with Petty forward, they were always going to get a mis match on Casbolt. Neither of Turner or Lever can match Levi in strength or aerially 

In hindsight Tommo may have had been a better match up for Levi but overhead he isn't that great IMO

In the end Casbolt's game was probably in line with his career average - maybe one goal extra

Turner is a good player that will improve we just need to give him a better match up in future 

  On 11/05/2023 at 00:11, jnrmac said:

We have a lot of trouble with tall forward lines.

Reid from Sydney has given us a lot of grief. Hipwood, Mason Cox, Casboult, Lobb on occasion. Daniher has created problems but fortunately can't kick.

We don't have a tall backman - ie over 200cm - that can take those players. Instead we rely on pressuring delivery. And when that breaks down we look terrible against the talls.

The point is valid but a lot of the issues we have had with those players have been when we have been missing out best key defenders.

  On 11/05/2023 at 00:12, dazzledavey36 said:

Would honestly like to see him play consecutive games down back while Petty is working on his trade up forward. 

If there is a period where investing game time and experience into guys that have been banging down the door then it's now with the likes or Hawthorn and Freo coming up over the next few weeks.

Gotta see whether some of these kids are up to it at AFL level.

i think Hibbert may come in to match up on Breust.

  On 11/05/2023 at 00:47, chook fowler said:

i think Hibbert may come in to match up on Breust.

I'd like to see McVee on Breust.

  On 10/05/2023 at 10:05, dazzledavey36 said:

Thought he was coached poorly on the weekend.

 

I don't see how Turner can replace anyone other than Lever in our preferred backline - perhaps Hibberd against the right opposition. Tomlinson should be the replacement if May or Petty are missing and the opposition has two genuine giant forwards. A May, Tomlinson, Lever combination would have been a much better fit for Gold Coast.

Have we ever considered trying D. Turner forward?

  On 11/05/2023 at 00:23, Sydee said:

After May went to King and with Petty forward, they were always going to get a mis match on Casbolt. Neither of Turner or Lever can match Levi in strength or aerially 

In hindsight Tommo may have had been a better match up for Levi but overhead he isn't that great IMO

In the end Casbolt's game was probably in line with his career average - maybe one goal extra

Turner is a good player that will improve we just need to give him a better match up in future 

Absolutely!

chol casboult and king vs lever May and turner was a mismatch on height weight

granted our first line of defence is inside our fwd pressure, second line is midfield transition running and third line is the defensive structure. After that it’s the defenders themselves.

I think we have to develop larger key backs

may 193

lever 195

Turner 192/4?

petty 197

they routinely defend 200 cm fwds

they do well - no dispute pound for pound but key fwds aren’t getting smaller

 

  On 11/05/2023 at 01:24, dino rover said:

Absolutely!

chol casboult and king vs lever May and turner was a mismatch on height weight

granted our first line of defence is inside our fwd pressure, second line is midfield transition running and third line is the defensive structure. After that it’s the defenders themselves.

I think we have to develop larger key backs

may 193

lever 195

Turner 192/4?

petty 197

they routinely defend 200 cm fwds

they do well - no dispute pound for pound but key fwds aren’t getting smaller

 

Adams 196

Schache  199

K. Turner  193

D. Turner  194

Tomlinson   194 

other than Tommo, none of them big bodied yet.

We possibly need another big one, who can slot in when needed, until others develop.

  On 11/05/2023 at 01:33, Redleg said:

Adams 196

Schache  199

K. Turner  193

D. Turner  194

Tomlinson   194 

other than Tommo, none of them big bodied yet.

We possibly need another big one, who can slot in when needed, until others develop.

Adams I don’t know about

probably a few years off

schache gets pushed around too easily 

Adams looks the goods but at 18 can still add 10 kg

schacke weighs the same as Hibbo 

  On 11/05/2023 at 01:23, Redleg said:

Have we ever considered trying D. Turner forward?

He looks a more natural defender to me. I’m not sure he is big enough or fast enough to play forward at AFL level. But it’s not the worst idea in future seasons. 

  On 11/05/2023 at 01:23, Redleg said:

Have we ever considered trying D. Turner forward?

Not sure about this. Petty has a lot of doubters up forward but has more of the build to play KPF than Turner. Still, a number of Demonlanders continue to put Tomlinson forward as an option despite no evidence that he can play there and I'd put Turner as an option ahead of Tommo. I actually think if you're going to go tall(ish) and mobile as an option up forward then Joel Smith might be worth trying.

  On 12/05/2023 at 03:47, Sydney_Demon said:

Not sure about this. Petty has a lot of doubters up forward but has more of the build to play KPF than Turner. Still, a number of Demonlanders continue to put Tomlinson forward as an option despite no evidence that he can play there and I'd put Turner as an option ahead of Tommo. I actually think if you're going to go tall(ish) and mobile as an option up forward then Joel Smith might be worth trying.

Yep.

If in 4 seasons Tommo hasn't been within 5 miles of our forward line there has to be a reason for that. 

  On 12/05/2023 at 05:36, layzie said:

Yep.

If in 4 seasons Tommo hasn't been within 5 miles of our forward line there has to be a reason for that. 

To be fair, he only joined us pre-2020 and at that stage was brought in to play wing and was then a preferred part of our backline in 2021 (until he did his ACL). He probably hasn't had too many opportunites but they didn't trial him up forward last year despite TMac being out injured. The fact that Petty who was in our preferred backline at the start of 2023 is being trialled ahead of him is also a pretty fair indication of where he is in the forward line pecking order.

  On 12/05/2023 at 06:16, Sydney_Demon said:

To be fair, he only joined us pre-2020 and at that stage was brought in to play wing and was then a preferred part of our backline in 2021 (until he did his ACL). He probably hasn't had too many opportunites but they didn't trial him up forward last year despite TMac being out injured. The fact that Petty who was in our preferred backline at the start of 2023 is being trialled ahead of him is also a pretty fair indication of where he is in the forward line pecking order.

Yeah and that's the thing. I was open to it last year because it made sense with his height but if we weren't willing to try it then in our hour of need then why would we try now? 

At this stage it's probably more likely Brayshaw will play key forward than Tommo.