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9 hours ago, ManDee said:

Edit- It would appear that the Australian government agrees, Astra Zeneca being phased out by October.

Nothing to do with agreeing with your flawed reasoning, everything to do with the demographics of those who will have been/remain to be vaccinated.

Jesus.

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    1 hour ago, bing181 said:

    Nothing to do with agreeing with your flawed reasoning, everything to do with the demographics of those who will have been/remain to be vaccinated.

    Jesus.

    So Astra Zeneca was seen as the main vaccine for the Australian population. Gradually or should I say rapidly the experts recommend more and more people should not take it. In some countries (Canada for example) they do not recommend it for anyone including those who have already had one dose. So where is the flawed logic? You may continue to believe whatever you like, I look at what other countries are doing too, AZ is on the way out in advanced economies and not because everyone is vaccinated.

    Edit: Bing, Australia has over 60million doses of mRNA's on order. Why?

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    1 hour ago, ManDee said:

    Edit: Bing, Australia has over 60million doses of mRNA's on order. Why?

    just a guess......maybe they are expecting people will need a yearly booster (like the flu) ?

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    21 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

    just a guess......maybe they are expecting people will need a yearly booster (like the flu) ?

    Good point DC, It's actually 65 million by the end of the first quarter next year. Possibly we are using the 2nd generation Moderna 15 million doses as a booster? Leaving 50 million for 25 million Australians. So how many are fully immunised now. I am quite confused by the numbers. In the next 9 months 65 million new doses, they have a shelf life. My guess and it is a guess is that there is doubt about the ongoing efficacy of AZ, that is opinion no facts purely speculation. 

    Edit: I would love to have someone explain the numbers to me.

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    1 hour ago, ManDee said:

    Good point DC, It's actually 65 million by the end of the first quarter next year. Possibly we are using the 2nd generation Moderna 15 million doses as a booster? Leaving 50 million for 25 million Australians. So how many are fully immunised now. I am quite confused by the numbers. In the next 9 months 65 million new doses, they have a shelf life. My guess and it is a guess is that there is doubt about the ongoing efficacy of AZ, that is opinion no facts purely speculation. 

    Edit: I would love to have someone explain the numbers to me.

    i've given up a bit on the details at ground zero....too much fugazi etc

    i now prefer the view from 20,000 ft that as a country we've done pretty well comparatively


    14 hours ago, ManDee said:

    So Astra Zeneca was seen as the main vaccine for the Australian population. Gradually or should I say rapidly the experts recommend more and more people should not take it. In some countries (Canada for example) they do not recommend it for anyone including those who have already had one dose. So where is the flawed logic? You may continue to believe whatever you like, I look at what other countries are doing too, AZ is on the way out in advanced economies and not because everyone is vaccinated.

    Edit: Bing, Australia has over 60million doses of mRNA's on order. Why?

    As I said earlier: risk management 101.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/australia-let-down-by-failure-to-hedge-bets-on-enough-vaccines-experts-say-20210624-p583v5.html

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    2 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Some of the extra doses - whether its Pfizer, Moderna or AZ - might be for distribution to other nations, particularly in our region.

    I'd put a lot of money on all of Pfizer / Moderna (and Novavax when available) being used on locals first to get second (and booster when Moderna reconfigured for mutations) before OS.

    CSL AZ deployed to PNG/Pacific and maybe Indo in addition to Covax distributions.

    There's too much money in vested interests at stake to keep borders closed for a lot longer.

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    1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Some of the extra doses - whether its Pfizer, Moderna or AZ - might be for distribution to other nations, particularly in our region.

    I cannot believe that at this stage we would distribute mRNA's before we have exhausted AZ, considering the difficulties they are having selling it to our population. However with this government anything is possible. I have been an advocate for some time that we donate our AZ to countries in our region.

    1 minute ago, ManDee said:

    I cannot believe that at this stage we would distribute mRNA's before we have exhausted AZ, considering the difficulties they are having selling it to our population. However with this government anything is possible. I have been an advocate for some time that we donate our AZ to countries in our region.

    Japan sent 40 million doses AZ to Vietnam and are no longer using it i Japan

    For what ever reason it was never trusted by the medical profession here. I asked a small sample of doctors at a major metro hospital and they were 100% waiting for Moderna and not having AZ!

    So I got AZ for my trouble and it probably doesn't matter!

    I wish I had the time to find out the basis of the original government AZ contract and then follow the money

    but I cannot be bothered

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    6 minutes ago, Kent said:

    Japan sent 40 million doses AZ to Vietnam and are no longer using it i Japan

    For what ever reason it was never trusted by the medical profession here. I asked a small sample of doctors at a major metro hospital and they were 100% waiting for Moderna and not having AZ!

    So I got AZ for my trouble and it probably doesn't matter!

    I wish I had the time to find out the basis of the original government AZ contract and then follow the money

    but I cannot be bothered

    Allow me to help you with that.

    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/01/scomos-dodgy-vaccine-binned-for-aged-in-germany/

     

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    17 minutes ago, Kent said:

    Japan sent 40 million doses AZ to Vietnam and are no longer using it i Japan

    For what ever reason it was never trusted by the medical profession here. I asked a small sample of doctors at a major metro hospital and they were 100% waiting for Moderna and not having AZ!

    So I got AZ for my trouble and it probably doesn't matter!

    I wish I had the time to find out the basis of the original government AZ contract and then follow the money

    but I cannot be bothered

    Why are they waiting for Moderna. Have they concerns with Pfizer?

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    Three infected hairdressers working in a Double Bay salon in Sydney.

    Around 900 clients impacted.

    Good luck Sydney

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    12 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

    Why are they waiting for Moderna. Have they concerns with Pfizer?

    They think Moderna is better against the new Delta strain. 

    I think they will use Moderna as top ups next year. 

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    1 minute ago, Jaded said:

    They think Moderna is better against the new Delta strain. 

    I think they will use Moderna as top ups next year. 

    That was my undrerstanding!

    3 minutes ago, Kent said:

    That was my undrerstanding!

    To be fair as far as I can tell, Moderna has not been tested in quite the same numbers. However they think because it is newer it might be more effective. 

    On 6/10/2021 at 5:03 PM, binman said:

    The Northern beaches stated with a single transmission and very soon the much vaunted NSW contract tracing team were not able to keep up and lockdown was called for only days after the first case.

    By the end of the outbreak 151 cases were linked to the cluster and the lockdown had lasted 3 weeks. This despite it being relatively small population, a population that does not move around greater Sydney much, minimal exposure sites and a contained location with natural boundaries.

    And that lockdown happened over the XMAS period so businesses were smashed and families separated. 

    As anyone who knows that part of Sydney, the NSW government was extremely lucky the outbreak was in the Northern beaches, not say the west of Sydney (which is geographically very similar to Melbourne). Our equivalent might have been an out break on the Morning Peninsula, which could be isolated in a matter of hours if needed. 

    Our current outbreak (which largely came from leak from a SA hotel) is almost exactly the same in number, yet we are out of lockdown in two weeks. And we have huge population, hundreds of exposure sites, a highly transient population in terms of movement around the city and basically no natural boundaries.

    Really, by any measure Victoria's contract tracing and related responses (eg exposure sites) has been extraordinary in this current outbreak. 

    Look's like the NSW's government's luck ran out. 

    I hope some of the angst about the decision in Victoria to go to lockdown is bit more measured moving forward. 

     

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    7 minutes ago, binman said:

    Look's like the NSW's government's luck ran out. 

    I hope some of the angst about the decision in Victoria to go to lockdown is bit more measured moving forward. 

     

    Sorry Binny,  NSW is the Gold standard haven't you heard. Liberal pollies have been bleating for months about how good the NSW government has been. We are all just as good as our last stuff up.


    I hope @bing181 and the others having a go at me are keeping abreast of all this. The German vaccine authority suggesting that AZ NOT EFFECTIVE on over 65's. Not recommended for under 60's in Australia. Not recommended for anyone in Canada & Japan, numerous corruption allegations and run by Scomos mate!

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    10 minutes ago, ManDee said:

    I hope bing181 and the others having a go at me are keeping abreast of all this. The German vaccine authority suggesting that AZ NOT EFFECTIVE on over 65's. Not recommended for under 60's in Australia. Not recommended for anyone in Canada & Japan, numerous corruption allegations and run by Scomos mate!

    Bolding mine - that's not what the German regulator said, and this is from early January, a very long time ago.

    See below, bolding mine.

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    the health ministry’s committee (STIKO) said there wasn’t enough evidence available to ascertain its efficacy in people of this age group, although there was no evidence to show it was unsafe.

    “There are currently insufficient data available to assess the vaccine efficacy from 65 years of age,” STIKO said in a draft recommendation, a day before the European regulators decide whether to authorise the roll-out of the vaccine

    Of the 341 people vaccinated in the group aged 65 and over, only one became infected with the deadly virus, meaning STIKO was not able to derive a statistically significant statement, the German health ministry said

    When I went hunting for updated advice based on more data, I could not find anything (I don't speak German, though, so it might be around), but did find this, which goes against what NSWH and TGA are stating.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-astrazenec-idUSKBN2BO6KZ

    I think you could look at what the TGA advisory committee is saying re: efficacy across age strata. It is effective, less so against mutations, particularly against Delta, especially c.f. Pfizer, which has a higher efficacy.

    LInk re above

    Here's an AstraZeneca link re: Delta efficacy, it is high particularly for protection against hospitalization.

     

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    3 hours ago, ManDee said:

    The German vaccine authority suggesting that AZ NOT EFFECTIVE on over 65's

    Utter codswallop.

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    18 hours ago, ManDee said:

    My guess and it is a guess is that there is doubt about the ongoing efficacy of AZ, that is opinion no facts purely speculation

    More codswallop. Also ignorant codswallop, because there is any amount of data out there from multiple studies looking at the effectiveness of all these vaccines. 

    But heh, why bother when conspiracy theories are so much more fun.

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