Dees Reviewing Senior Footy Department Positions

[old55 23,687]

On 10/8/2020 at 4:24 PM, old dee said:

I wondered if anyone would notice but of course that is fake news. Actually I was thinking the longer term like the last half century. Now don’t produce the stats that say it is only 80%. Two fake news items  in the one day will be too much for me!!!!

PS there is no chance Goodwin will get 8 years without a flag.

So you're sacking Ken Hinkley today?

[old dee 23,871]

5 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

So you're sacking Ken Hinkley today?

What's that got to do with Goodloss and the MFC? He won't get 8 years without a flag at the MFC.

[rjay 25,081]

On 10/12/2020 at 12:22 AM, bing181 said:

If we assume that what you mean by "success" is on-field success, we clearly are not. If that were the case, then clubs with the biggest "investment" (= most members) would consistently have on-field success, and vice versa. You only have to look at the teams in the 8 this year to see that that's demonstrably untrue.

Ummm...not sure what you are getting at here 'bing' but so far the first team into the GF is the one with maybe largest membership. Have won 2 of the 3 last flags 2017 & 2019...WC the one in the middle 2018, large membership Hawks another large club 3 2013, 2014 & 2015.

The only outlier has been the Dogs in recent times 2016...

[Dr. Gonzo 24,278]

21 minutes ago, old dee said:

What's that got to do with Goodloss and the MFC? He won't get 8 years without a flag at the MFC.

C'mon od you're better than that. Anyone who uses "Goodloss" or "Badloss" gets an automatic eyeroll and swipe down the page from me,  it's just so lame like a dad joke on steroids

[old55 23,687]

27 minutes ago, old dee said:

What's that got to do with Goodloss and the MFC? He won't get 8 years without a flag at the MFC.

Hinkley is in his 8th year and no flag.  Port lost the PF by 6 points - by your simple logic today he's sacked.

[old dee 23,871]

39 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

C'mon od you're better than that. Anyone who uses "Goodloss" or "Badloss" gets an automatic eyeroll and swipe down the page from me,  it's just so lame like a dad joke on steroids

Sorry dr. I could not help myself. Point is there is no chance he will be the coach for 8 years without a flag.

[Cards13 9,117]

1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

This review is taking a while. Our season finished 4 weeks ago. Not much noise either. Surely if Mahoney was being let go it would have been announced by now. Plus trade period is rapidly approaching.

Adem Yze is a great additional but we need more. I guess now that Port are out we can talk to Voss so hopefully there’ll be developments there.

Good on them for not rushing things?

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50 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Good on them for not rushing things?

Fair enough. I’m concerned though we won’t be organised for trade week.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,278]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Sorry dr. I could not help myself. Point is there is no chance he will be the coach for 8 years without a flag.

So we come runners up the next 3 years you think he gets sacked?

[Adam The God 30,407]

3 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

This review is taking a while. Our season finished 4 weeks ago. Not much noise either. Surely if Mahoney was being let go it would have been announced by now. Plus trade period is rapidly approaching.

Adem Yze is a great additional but we need more. I guess now that Port are out we can talk to Voss so hopefully there’ll be developments there.

It's good IMV that things haven't been announced yet. Port were only just knocked out and Richmond are still in it.

[old dee 23,871]

17 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

So we come runners up the next 3 years you think he gets sacked?

Zero chance of that happening. Making the GF is beyond his ability. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 hours ago, old dee said:

What's that got to do with Goodloss and the MFC? He won't get 8 years without a flag at the MFC.

Goodloss?

You're better than that, OD.  Be critical as much as you like, but no need to pull this five year old stuff out.  

[Diamond_Jim 12,627]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Zero chance of that happening. Making the GF is beyond his ability. 

On another thread we were ranking Goodwin against other coaches. Objectively he would have to be in the bottom four.

These are the measures I used.

Improving players

Game day tactics

Gameplan

Team selection

Player management

Skill improvement

Competition respect 

You could add other criteria but except for the "good bloke" factor which helps him in the area of player management he doesn't excel at at many if any of the others.

 

[old dee 23,871]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Goodloss?

You're better than that, OD.  Be critical as much as you like, but no need to pull this five year old stuff out.  

In my view he is poor match day coach. If the other team is winning he hardly ever makes a change. Just keeps doing the same and expecting a different result. When the other side gets a run on he again very seldom changes anything. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 minutes ago, old dee said:

In my view he is poor match day coach. If the other team is winning he hardly ever makes a change. Just keeps doing the same and expecting a different result. When the other side gets a run on he again very seldom changes anything. 

That's fine mate, no knocking your views or your freedom to post them.

The 'Goodloss' stuff just seems so out of character and childish for you.

[whatwhat say what 22,933]

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

In my view he is poor match day coach. If the other team is winning he hardly ever makes a change. Just keeps doing the same and expecting a different result. When the other side gets a run on he again very seldom changes anything. 

don't think that's true at all

he throws players back and forward...just never changed the midfield rotations

[Roost it far 8,578]

We’re a top 4 side in 2021. Just feels as though the players are ready

[old dee 23,871]

13 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

don't think that's true at all

he throws players back and forward...just never changed the midfield rotations

Well it ain't working.

[old dee 23,871]

13 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

We’re a top 4 side in 2021. Just feels as though the players are ready

Not sure what you are drinking but I would love some Rif. 

[Cards13 9,117]

2 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

Fair enough. I’m concerned though we won’t be organised for trade week.

They don’t stop working while the review is going on. 

[BDA 22,875]

6 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

They don’t stop working while the review is going on. 

Good to know.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,278]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Zero chance of that happening. Making the GF is beyond his ability. 

Same thing was said about Hardwick.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,278]

40 minutes ago, old dee said:

In my view he is poor match day coach. If the other team is winning he hardly ever makes a change. Just keeps doing the same and expecting a different result. When the other side gets a run on he again very seldom changes anything. 

It's a tricky one, there is something to be said for backing your system in and drilling it in to your players over a number of years until it "clicks" and becomes second nature and the team becomes a formidable unit.

There also needs to come a time where the coach has to make moves if things aren't working because you just need to win.

The big issue I see is he has little support in the coaches box. He's had Richardson, McCartney etc but I'm talking about the line coaches who have been poor throughout his tenure. We need to invest in the coaching staff and turnover all of our assistants (it should have been done post-2018 in my opinion) and he also needs to start making moves on game day before things get out of hand. The players need to take accountability for this as well as I think our onfield leadership is poor but how much of that is a reflection of the coaching staff (assistants and development coaches in particular?)

Either way we will know by mid next year. Goodwin has shown during his tenure he isn't scared to try things, he has actually been quite innovative in some of the tactics he has implemented. My big knock on him is he can get the team to a position where they can destroy bottom sides but can't compete against top sides. He needs the team to get off to a flyer next year and we also need to take some scalps otherwise his coaching career will be over.

[old dee 23,871]

41 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Same thing was said about Hardwick.

Dr that proves nothing it assume from the start they have the same ability. 
 

[old55 23,687]

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Goodloss?

You're better than that, OD.  Be critical as much as you like, but no need to pull this five year old stuff out.  

No I don't think he is.