30 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

That's actually not a bad estimate but you haven't answered my question.

How do you know we cant afford it?

Well how about it is because we are among the poorest in the competition. Do you think we can?

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Well how about it is because we are among the poorest in the competition. Do you think we can?

I don't know. But then again im not making the statement am i?

I do know there is more than one way to skin a cat.

You might be interested in how North paid out Scott. Let's just say a payout turned in to another job at afl houae. 

And for bonus points guess who didnt grt fired in the recent afl houae cuts?

1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

I’d say zero clubs could afford it in the current climate. No one knows what the Covid future holds for us let alone sporting entities where clubs in Aust are generally not billionaire owed like the US or UK. Even being billionaire owned most sports entities world wide are contracting, non playing  staff wise dramatically/looking to reduce as much cost from the business as possible.

So whos saying in the cost cutting redundancy couldn't be budgeted in to the out going costs? 

My point was he assuned and had no idea.

There are multiple ways to end contracts.

if, as per caroline's recent article, we only have to pay out 6 months then that is a very significant dip compared to two seasons

2 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

if, as per caroline's recent article, we only have to pay out 6 months then that is a very significant dip compared to two seasons

Pretty sure it's only for new contracts, not existing ones.

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

Pretty sure it's only for new contracts, not existing ones.

it's not specified / clarified, so who knows

2 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

it's not specified / clarified, so who knows

"Quietly put into place before the COVID-19 outbreak, towards the end of last season, it has directly affected the new deal struck between the Giants and Leon Cameron despite significant opposition from Cameron's manager Craig Kelly."

"St Kilda's Brett Ratten, Carlton's David Teague and Gold Coast's Stuart Dew all have six-month payout clauses or less in their new coaching deals. Their deals were struck over the past 12 months and had to be approved by AFL executive Travis Auld."

7 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

What information is the 'we cannot afford to' opinion based on?

Actual finance? What is our current cash status? 

Cost? What are the basic terma of the payout?

 

 

 

 

We can afford it. We have approx. $7m sitting in an investment account from the sale of the Leighoak club last year. This has given us a buffer to weather covid and meant we haven’t had to tap the AFL for a line of credit. If we dip into this fund to pay-out the coach then obviously that means less available to fund a new home base. Also, we don’t know yet whether the pay-out would come within the soft cap for next year. If it does then we would have to make cuts elsewhere to come within the cap.

As much as it pains me to acknowledge, I don't think the 6 month clause is retrospective 

The problem with Caro is she always has agendas and takes revenge on anyone critical of her.

That’s not journalism.

It’s frustrating because she obviously has some good sources but sorting her thin skinned bias vs. fact is hard.

I feel she now gets a free ride because she is a woman. Sure, she has had some unfair criticism because she’s a woman and no doubt had some really rough and unfair treatment in her career, but it also gets her protection in this politically correct time. Remember the “holding her under” the water comment and how that was pitched - if anything that was equality as blokey blokes would 100% make that comment about other blokes.

Anyway, the biggest problem for mine is her bold faced hypocrisy.

Tom Lynch runs about whacking people and acting like a [censored]. Hardwick defends violence in the field. Hardwick says real men don’t cry. Cotchin’s wife acts like a Prima Donna. Two Richmond players get sent home for going to the strippers and breaching COVID rules.

Caro. Caro. CARO! Where are you? Best she can come up with was how well Trent did, and how well Dimma and Brendan did, Brooke’s father circuses Richmond - discredit him - and naughty AFL tried to cover up Cotchin’s wife’s idiocy. After all that how can she try to make Richmond look perfect, and even with internal friction everyone Richmond is somehow right?

She is hopelessly compromised when it comes to Richmond, and bitter when it comes to some other clubs and people including ours.

Doesn’t mean there’s not some truth in what she writes, it’s annoying you have to sort through her opinion lens to try and work out fact from spin.

I repeat, this is not journalism.

 

Edited September 18, 20205 yr by Lampers
Grammar tweaks, more content on hypocrisy

10 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

So whos saying in the cost cutting redundancy couldn't be budgeted in to the out going costs? 

My point was he assuned and had no idea.

There are multiple ways to end contracts.

Make his role redundant?

10 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

We can afford it. We have approx. $7m sitting in an investment account from the sale of the Leighoak club last year. This has given us a buffer to weather covid and meant we haven’t had to tap the AFL for a line of credit. If we dip into this fund to pay-out the coach then obviously that means less available to fund a new home base. Also, we don’t know yet whether the pay-out would come within the soft cap for next year. If it does then we would have to make cuts elsewhere to come within the cap.

I believe there was a a 3.5 mil cap exemption announced by the afl to restructure clubs. I can't find any info atm. 

Thanks @Better days ahead. Once again a popular opinion defunct.

1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

Make his role redundant?

Fired/redundant same same.

Obviously the position of senior coach isn't redundant or is it.....

On 9/11/2020 at 4:41 PM, roy11 said:

someone ate a bat. 

When I find them......

On 9/11/2020 at 4:46 PM, A F said:

I was speaking to an influential MCC board member not too long ago and the distinct impression I got of the MCC's view of the MFC, or at least the view of that board member I spoke to, wasn't particularly complimentary. In fact, I'd call it dismissive.

Now that's good intel. Thanks for sharing A F.

Its a shame because PJ worked hard to improve that relationship. Perhaps Smith is a good option for President. Certainly has the experience and knowledge.

4 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Now that's good intel. Thanks for sharing A F.

Its a shame because PJ worked hard to improve that relationship. Perhaps Smith is a good option for President. Certainly has the experience and knowledge.

No worries mate. I'd just prepare we keep the off field administration stuff going, but we do need to work harder on the MCC relationship. They won't dismiss us, but they won't go out of their way to help us either as it stands. We get a grant from the MCC foundation and we use that as cashflow. I think we need to be nurturing this relationship a lot more to ensure we can get the most benefit from it.

This has been a trying year in so many ways, there are issues with Goodwin's coaching that have definitely created question marks but FFS we're into the last round with us in the finals chance. Doing anything destabilising to the admin, and footy department will only hurt the club. We need to go into next season with stability and focus, I know it sucks for a lot of people who want Goodwin gone but our best chance is to stick fat right now.

That's not to say there shouldn't be a strong review into the game style, player development, player contracts, recruiting, and assistant coaches. We need to decide who we are as a team and who we need to target to achieve our goals.

The MCC would surely prefer for us to just be a strong entity with mutual gains on both sides.

15 hours ago, Lampers said:

The problem with Caro is she always has agendas and takes revenge on anyone critical of her.

That’s not journalism.

It’s frustrating because she obviously has some good sources but sorting her thin skinned bias vs. fact is hard.

I feel she now gets a free ride because she is a woman. Sure, she has had some unfair criticism because she’s a woman and no doubt had some really rough and unfair treatment in her career, but it also gets her protection in this politically correct time. Remember the “holding her under” the water comment and how that was pitched - if anything that was equality as blokey blokes would 100% make that comment about other blokes.

Anyway, the biggest problem for mine is her bold faced hypocrisy.

Tom Lynch runs about whacking people and acting like a [censored]. Hardwick defends violence in the field. Hardwick says real men don’t cry. Cotchin’s wife acts like a Prima Donna. Two Richmond players get sent home for going to the strippers and breaching COVID rules.

Caro. Caro. CARO! Where are you? Best she can come up with was how well Trent did, and how well Dimma and Brendan did, Brooke’s father circuses Richmond - discredit him - and naughty AFL tried to cover up Cotchin’s wife’s idiocy. After all that how can she try to make Richmond look perfect, and even with internal friction everyone Richmond is somehow right?

She is hopelessly compromised when it comes to Richmond, and bitter when it comes to some other clubs and people including ours.

Doesn’t mean there’s not some truth in what she writes, it’s annoying you have to sort through her opinion lens to try and work out fact from spin.

I repeat, this is not journalism.

 

Great post.  Hits the nail on the head for me.

I don't even bother reading Caro's drival these days.

To me all she has ever written is trashy tabloid rumors an innuendo.  Seems to actually hate footy, because she never has anything positive to say.

3 hours ago, Pates said:

This has been a trying year in so many ways, there are issues with Goodwin's coaching that have definitely created question marks but FFS we're into the last round with us in the finals chance. Doing anything destabilising to the admin, and footy department will only hurt the club. We need to go into next season with stability and focus, I know it sucks for a lot of people who want Goodwin gone but our best chance is to stick fat right now.

That's not to say there shouldn't be a strong review into the game style, player development, player contracts, recruiting, and assistant coaches. We need to decide who we are as a team and who we need to target to achieve our goals.

The MCC would surely prefer for us to just be a strong entity with mutual gains on both sides.

Sure, I'm with you on this mate, but hypothetically, what would you say if the strong review suggested we needed to clear out all the assistants and bring in a new coach?

I'm all for stability, but to paraphrase/butcher Minsky, stability for stability's sake could lead to instability.