CHANGES: Rd 16 vs Fremantle

[Wiseblood 24,637]

24 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

When asked who is in the frame for selection this week those mentioned by Goodwin were:  Baker, Hibberd, Jetta, Lockhart, Bedford, Preuss.

Its anyone's guess who might come out other than Brayshaw, Harmes and Jones who are injured.

 

Would love to see any of those outside of Preuss get a run this week.  While he might be a step or two slower than in the past, Nev will bring some stiffness to our backline, and we know what Hibberd and Lockhart can bring - perhaps we push one into the midfield rotations?

Wouldn't mind seeing Bedford get a run either.  Interesting that, of those you mentioned above, Kozzie wasn't part of it.  Do they give him another game to be 'managed', or do they bring him straight back in?

[Deemania since 56 6,550]

47 minutes ago, old dee said:

Weeds growing under the vines !

...and then the dog comes along and urinates on the tomatoes.

[Spit Demon 58]

On 9/3/2020 at 7:21 PM, Nelo said:

Wagner needs to be delisted at seasons end. 

Viney needs to sit out till he can sort his disposal efficiency, he is keeping Brayshaw (a much better decision maker) out of the Centre. Wagner should have gone years ago, how does this guy keep surviving??? And why don't they try Smith up forward? Its worth a a shot... Also is it my imagination or is  Gawn consistently hitting the ball to the opposition? Goodwin needs to get some mongrel into this team,  if he can't, it's time to go. Last week was abysmal! By half time I had had enough, I don't mind watching them lose if they have a "die trying" mentality.

[Lucifers Hero 38,982]

18 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Would love to see any of those outside of Preuss get a run this week.  While he might be a step or two slower than in the past, Nev will bring some stiffness to our backline, and we know what Hibberd and Lockhart can bring - perhaps we push one into the midfield rotations?

Wouldn't mind seeing Bedford get a run either.  Interesting that, of those you mentioned above, Kozzie wasn't part of it.  Do they give him another game to be 'managed', or do they bring him straight back in?

If @Tough Kentis right about 9 changes and Goodwin mentioned 6 names there is at least 3 others to come in so Kozzie could well be one.  Would be surprised if he wasn't.

There could well be a few surprise outs.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

If @Tough Kentis right about 9 changes and Goodwin mentioned 6 names there is at least 3 others to come in so Kozzie could well be one.  Would be surprised if he wasn't.

There could well be a few surprise outs.

Which, in the end, probably wouldn't surprise us as this is our third game in a week and a half.  There would be a few tired bodies out there and freshening up the side, while keeping our core players together, probably isn't a bad thing.

[Lucifers Hero 38,982]

23 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Which, in the end, probably wouldn't surprise us as this is our third game in a week and a half.  There would be a few tired bodies out there and freshening up the side, while keeping our core players together, probably isn't a bad thing.

A bit late in my book.  I think it is the core players that should be rested. 

imv we should have rotated/rested sore players, midfielders and Weideman (who has been bashed around for a while and is still not AFL conditioned having played about 30 games) during the first condensed fixture or at the beginning of this condensed fixture.  Now we are in a catch-22 where we can't afford to rest core players because of injuries to others. 

 

Edit:  As an aside, I was a bit disappointed in Goodwin talking about the tight fixture, Alice, travel and arriving at Gazaly same day.  All may be correct but if we had rotated/rested players when we had the chance, then those things probably wouldn't have taken the toll they have.  It sounded like he was laying the ground work for reasons excuses for not making finals.  He was not at all convincing in his expectations of what we will achieve.   Hope he does a more convincing job on the players.

Edited September 6, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[old dee 23,492]

16 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

...and then the dog comes along and urinates on the tomatoes.

Sounds like us supporters are the tomies Deemania.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,065]

6 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

A bit late in my book.  I think it is the core players that should be rested. 

imv we should have rotated/rested sore players, midfielders and Weideman (who has been bashed around for a while and is still not AFL conditioned having played about 30 games) during the first condensed fixture or at the beginning of this condensed fixture.  Now we are in a catch-22 where we can't afford to rest core players because of injuries to others. 

On the money as usual Luci.

I recall the statement being made at the start of the footy glut , that we wouldn't be resting players - FMD!

BTW . if we make 9 changes against Freo we will be [censored] on from a height.

[old dee 23,492]

2 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

On the money as usual Luci.

I recall the statement being made at the start of the footy glut , that we wouldn't be resting players - FMD!

BTW . if we make 9 changes against Freo we will be [censored] on from a height.

Just trying a new vintage Pinot Bbo and I thought of you. Hmm could do with being in the bottle a little longer. 

[Ungarieboy 409]

Team selection should be about balance. We need to find a second tall (Frisch is a 3rd tall, not 2nd); one that can drae6a defender so Weids isn't double team.  At the moment  of all our current options, the only two that could adequately fill this role is May and Gawn. Either could work we just need to find someone that could do their role. Prues has been okay so that's possible; Omac maybe, but probably a better option is for Tmac to revert back to his days as fullback.  With the ball coming to him and only needing to spoil it will likely build his confidence as well. A fit Tmac also had the tank to ru  with Hogan.

 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,065]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Just trying a new vintage Pinot Bbo and I thought of you. Hmm could do with being in the bottle a little longer. 

HaHaha I doubt it will be in the bottle much longer od !!!!!!!!

[Lucifers Hero 38,982]

4 minutes ago, old dee said:

Just trying a new vintage Pinot Bbo and I thought of you. Hmm could do with being in the bottle a little longer. 

Ha, ha.  I just opened a shiraz to prepare myself for team changes (and to cope with the extension of stage 4 restrictions virtually until late October ?)

Edited September 6, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[Wiseblood 24,637]

16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

A bit late in my book.  I think it is the core players that should be rested. 

imv we should have rotated/rested sore players, midfielders and Weideman (who has been bashed around for a while and is still not AFL conditioned having played about 30 games) during the first condensed fixture or at the beginning of this condensed fixture.  Now we are in a catch-22 where we can't afford to rest core players because of injuries to others. 

 

Edit:  As an aside, I was a bit disappointed in Goodwin talking about the tight fixture, Alice, travel and arriving at Gazaly same day.  All may be correct but if we had rotated/rested players when we had the chance, then those things probably wouldn't have taken the toll they have.  It sounded like he was laying the ground work for reasons excuses for not making finals.  He was not at all convincing in his expectations of what we will achieve.   Hope he does a more convincing job on the players.

I'm a bit on both sides with that.  I think we should have rested a few more when we had the chance, but perhaps the club felt we didn't have enough cover and it could do more damage than good?  We're not a Geelong, for instance, that can rest players and then come out and smash a side like the Bombers.  We're just not good enough yet.

I think those excuses mentioned above are valid, but I think we're also sick of hearing about them.  Good sides overcome those things more often than not and find a way to scrap out a win, like a good side would have done against the Swans.  We don't have the capacity or depth to do that on a consistent basis.

[chook fowler 19,251]

2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Ha, ha.  I just opened a shiraz to prepare myself for team changes (and to cope with the extension of stage 4 restrictions virtually until late October ?)

Having a having a Mallee Shearer’s shandy - cask red topped up with VB to accompany an underarm  pressed burger. 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,065]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Ha, ha.  I just opened a shiraz to prepare myself for our team changes (and to cope with the extension of stage 4 restrictions virtually until late October ?)

Great minds !!!!! I was just fondling a Barossa and deciding whether to slaughter it immediately or wait a while.

Your post made the decision for me!

[DeeSpencer 24,753]

On 9/4/2020 at 3:50 PM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I struggle to understand whether we play a zone defence or not. If we do so, then was it Smith specifically that kept Papely quiet? It seems to me that stating that a particular defender was accountable for the performance of a specific forward runs counter to the argument that we play zone defence. So, which is it? Do we play zone defence or not? (That's a question for anyone, not just you DS, although I respect your opinion on the subject).

The camera work at Cairns was particularly bad, we really didn't see much of what was happening off the ball at all, but overall I'd say we play what basketball or american football calls a man-zone which is where players still pick out an opponent - choosing based on size and position - and then zone from them. 

You can't just sit back in a designated zone because that's too easy to force mismatches, nor can you go man to man all over the ground. So it's a mixture.

Apart from when he was in the midfield I saw Smith mostly and then Rivers on Papley. Smith took Hibberd's spot in the back pocket so likely had Papley when he was deep, other times he had Hayward.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,065]

Just now, chook fowler said:

Having a having a Mallee Shearer’s shandy - cask red topped up with VB to accompany an underarm  pressed burger. 

You are a man of refined taste chook.

[chook fowler 19,251]

1 minute ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

You are a man of refined taste chook.

That’s why I support this team.

[Ungarieboy 409]

Our small forwards don't defend, (chasing is not defending) so at a maximum we can only carry one of Melks, Bennel and Picket; noting none of these 3 present as a great marking target.

Fritsch stays in because he does present and mark the ball (the goals will come) - therefore a potential dangerous matchup.  Note he misses a lot of shots because he's taking them from the dead pocket for his foot - which is more about team play (leading patterns) that has now ruined his confidence for in front of goals.

I like the idea of Viney forward to win the ground ball and play defensive/aggressive.

Hannan can mark it, but must be more accountable otherwise ANB

Dunkley should at least provide the real pressure required.  Pickets enthusiasm I'd great but he chases more than tackles, and his tackles don't stick.  He also runs past the ball, when it hits the ground.

[Lucifers Hero 38,982]

10 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I'm a bit on both sides with that.  I think we should have rested a few more when we had the chance, but perhaps the club felt we didn't have enough cover and it could do more damage than good?  We're not a Geelong, for instance, that can rest players and then come out and smash a side like the Bombers.  We're just not good enough yet.

I think those excuses mentioned above are valid, but I think we're also sick of hearing about them.  Good sides overcome those things more often than not and find a way to scrap out a win, like a good side would have done against the Swans.  We don't have the capacity or depth to do that on a consistent basis.

We needed to rotate/rest only one player per game to keep our best dozen fresh.  

If the club thinks we didn't have enough cover to do that, then I give up.  We have a fit and healthy list and cover is what the players 15 to 30 are there for.  Instead we rotated player 15 to 22.  Go figure.

We didn't protect our best players and now, those little ole chickens have now come home to roost.

Edited September 6, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[Bitter but optimistic 22,065]

3 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

That’s why I support this team.

....... and possessed of an elegant wit.

[picket fence 16,681]

If any of Oscar, Fritsch,Spargo, Melksham get selected this week then the club is not only weak, but on its knees!

Edited September 6, 2020 by picket fence

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

1 minute ago, picket fence said:

If any of Oscar, Fritsch,Spargo, Melksham get selected this week then the club is not only weak, but on its knees!

Melksham is the last man standing that Goody hasnt dropped if he wants to show hes serious about winning.   Hes been gifted games all season.

Edited September 6, 2020 by Pickett2Jackson

[picket fence 16,681]

1 minute ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Melksham is the last man standing for Goody to show hes serious about winning.   Hes been gifted games all season.

Yep coz as we know the tail wags the Dog at MFC .Selections this year have been mystifying to say the least!

[old dee 23,492]

24 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Ha, ha.  I just opened a shiraz to prepare myself for our team changes (and to cope with the extension of stage 4 restrictions virtually until late October ?)

With the Chinese banning our wine LH I think it our national duty to drink more wine.