Our record the last 27 games (Operation Get Ross Lyon)

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

4 minutes ago, CYB said:

Like most on here are saying COVID-19 has basically saved Goodwins coaching career

How can you say that, we had the players cherry ripe fit with the new fitness guru and then a sort of Rnd 1,  under the knowledge of a cancelled season, and then nothing but lock-down and and players distanced and at home.   Loss of fitness and regular contact with one another at training.

And then it gets worse, the AFL shortens the Qtrs of the game we had trained specifically for.

 

Truth is,  we just don't know how our team would be going,  if none of this CoVid19 had happened.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

3 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

How can you say that, we had the players cherry ripe fit with the new fitness guru and then a sort of Rnd 1,  under the knowledge of a cancelled season, and then nothing but lock-down and and players distanced and at home.   Loss of fitness and regular contact with one another at training.

And then it gets worse, the AFL shortens the Qtrs of the game we had trained specifically for.

 

Truth is,  we just don't know how our team would be going,  if none of this CoVid19 had happened.

Skills and game plan would have resulted in same outcome.

[Standard Deviation 23]

9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We cannot afford not to act if Goodwin doesn't turn this around

If a Gun Coach was employed Memberships would pay for it.

 

I think Clarkson is nothing more than wishful thinking.  You can talk all you like about how everyone is for sale, and making godfather offers but he's shown no sign of dissatisfaction at the Hawks, and they can clearly afford to outmatch any offer we make - I suspect they'd sack their entire football department before they'd lose him.  We'd be more likely to entice Paul Roos back than have any chance of getting Clarkson.

Lyon is realistic, and if he could get us back into the eight I think I could hold my breath and suffer through his "style".  Another few losses and I might even start entertaining the idea of Brad S....no, I'm not ready for that yet.

 

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

4 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Skills and game plan would have resulted in same outcome.

It might have resulted in 2018 form.

I do not share your enthusiasm for the negative,  of how things might have been in the early part of the season.

 

Form over the next 6 weeks,  I reckon will show us where we are.

Edited July 6, 2020 by MyFavouriteMartian

[Half forward flank 1,022]

4 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

It might have resulted in 2018 form.

I do not share your enthusiasm for the negative,  of how things might have been in the early part of the season.

 

Form over the next 6 weeks,  I reckon will show us where we are.

No need to have a crack.  You have a gall caling supporters on here negative pal.

[BW511 2,569]

Clarkson is a very good coach, perhaps the greatest ever, but our club is nowhere near strong enough and united enough to follow his lead.

He is an uncompromising leader and we seem to have a lot of people happy to just feather their own nests and say they are part of an AFL club. Not sure it’s a good match.

Getting Clarko would cost a hell of a lot more than just his wage, because we’d need to give him the best people to help him get the job done.

I think we need someone in between Clarko and Goody for experience, with a strong and experienced group of assistants. We don’t have much on field leadership at all, certainly none that’s tasted success and it costs us dearly. 

Geelong, Hawthorn and Collingwood in recent times have at least one superstar, usually more, but they also have half a dozen senior players that are almost guaranteed to win their position for the day and drive the standards/expectations for everyone else to follow. 
 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by BW511

[Docs Demons 1,748]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We cannot afford not to act if Goodwin doesn't turn this around

If a Gun Coach was employed Memberships would pay for it.

I respect your view here SWYL however do you realistically think our small membership will increase enough to assist in paying for a so called gun coach. I don't think so.

[Sir Why You Little 36,635]

7 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

I respect your view here SWYL however do you realistically think our small membership will increase enough to assist in paying for a so called gun coach. I don't think so.

I think you underestimate the many Quiet Demon Supporters 

A real Coach would wake them up, not a quick fix

We need the real deal

[Sir Why You Little 36,635]

1 hour ago, BW511 said:

Clarkson is a very good coach, perhaps the greatest ever, but our club is nowhere near strong enough and united enough to follow his lead.

He is an uncompromising leader and we seem to have a lot of people happy to just feather their own nests and say they are part of an AFL club. Not sure it’s a good match.

Getting Clarko would cost a hell of a lot more than just his wage, because we’d need to give him the best people to help him get the job done.

I think we need someone in between Clarko and Goody for experience, with a strong and experienced group of assistants. We don’t have much on field leadership at all, certainly none that’s tasted success and it costs us dearly. 

Geelong, Hawthorn and Collingwood in recent times have at least one superstar, usually more, but they also have half a dozen senior players that are almost guaranteed to win their position for the day and drive the standards/expectations for everyone else to follow. 
 

 

 

 

 

Rubbish. 
 

Someone between Clarkson & Goodwin you suggest? Rather large parameter. We have been down that road....

Unless Goodwin gets his act together ( and he has this year)
 

We need the best available, otherwise we get what we pay for. 
56 years of 2nd Best...

The money can be raised, those that are not happy can go...

I want to Win in September...

I am sure i am not alone

[Ted Lasso 18,783]

I think Adam Yze is the one! 

[BW511 2,569]

7 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Rubbish. 
 

Someone between Clarkson & Goodwin you suggest? Rather large parameter. We have been down that road....

Unless Goodwin gets his act together ( and he has this year)
 

We need the best available, otherwise we get what we pay for. 
56 years of 2nd Best...

The money can be raised, those that are not happy can go...

I want to Win in September...

I am sure i am not alone

It’s not like there’s a whole lot of AFL coaches waiting in the wings? So yes, my parameters are broad, but probably only gives half a dozen actual options.

The best coach won’t immediately change this list, the way the club is run or suddenly give us industry leading facilities. 

What can we offer that would possibly convince Clarko or someone else of that caliber?

 

 

[Sir Why You Little 36,635]

4 hours ago, BW511 said:

It’s not like there’s a whole lot of AFL coaches waiting in the wings? So yes, my parameters are broad, but probably only gives half a dozen actual options.

The best coach won’t immediately change this list, the way the club is run or suddenly give us industry leading facilities. 

What can we offer that would possibly convince Clarko or someone else of that caliber?

 

 

BW with that attitude we may as well just shut up the shop and walk away

This Club offers the biggest challenge within the AFL

 

[BW511 2,569]

6 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

BW with that attitude we may as well just shut up the shop and walk away

This Club offers the biggest challenge within the AFL

 

I know it's pessimistic, but there's very little to suggest anything different will happen.

There's a very long and deeply ingrained history of zero success

[Sir Why You Little 36,635]

1 minute ago, BW511 said:

I know it's pessimistic, but there's very little to suggest anything different will happen.

There's a very long and deeply ingrained history of zero success

Well aware of that mate. 50 years of it for me. 
That’s why it has to change. Big Change otherwise it will die. 
We had big change in PJ and Roosy. But it wasn’t long enough

 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,552]

18 hours ago, Rednblueriseing said:

I really like Goodwin good media preformer and the players seem to love him, if this doesn't work we have to get a experienced coach of the Clarkson mould, I'd go hard for Woosha who's on his way out of the bummers. GET his own team in and say your not leaving till you've won a flag. No 3 year succession rubbish you do the full job.

This has to be McClure.....

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,552]

If he were coaching a European Football team eg. Liverpool, Man City, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus etc. he would have been gone a long time ago.

Shoot first and ask questions later, if it continues for the next month the club really has no choice but to give him the flick.

Not sure if he wants to be a coach but the man i would be chasing would be Luke Hodge.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Win4theAges

[Skuit 9,958]

If I were a member of the board I would be encouraging us to give Simon a one-year contract extension. And I agree right now that the club is rotten. In 2017/18 he instituted a bold and aggressive game-plan - with the courage to go against the Paul Roos/Ross Lyon grain - based on in my reading at the time the footballing trends and getting ahead of the game, to find that fine line of difference in an increasingly tight competition. [censored] 6-6-6 and the AFL. 

Drill it into a young squad and we would reap the rewards when it was ingrained. We leaked a bit, and aggressively traded to plug those holes. Kudos. No-one could foresee our future forward-line impotence at the time, looking at you Tomald and Jake. I had certain doubts about it but I'm still not sure if that game-plan could ever succeed or not over the long run, because the injury [censored] of 2019 and loss of confidence and now increasing pressure on the club has led to Simon putting his guns back in the holster.

He's now juggling declining seniors with fan expectations and our game-style is a compromised nothing mess. We don't have a recognisable brand, in Simon's words. We did in 2017/18. Give him another year. Put it on his shoulders. Do what you want Simon. Ignore the noise and get our boys firing again. Go gung-ho. TL/DR: Lyon isn't the answer. Roos got us nowhere. Simon Goodwin will lead us to a flag if we let him. But I'm afraid you people will [censored] that up, once again. 

 

[jnrmac 19,893]

3 hours ago, Skuit said:

If I were a member of the board I would be encouraging us to give Simon a one-year contract extension. And I agree right now that the club is rotten. In 2017/18 he instituted a bold and aggressive game-plan - with the courage to go against the Paul Roos/Ross Lyon grain - based on in my reading at the time the footballing trends and getting ahead of the game, to find that fine line of difference in an increasingly tight competition. [censored] 6-6-6 and the AFL. 

Drill it into a young squad and we would reap the rewards when it was ingrained. We leaked a bit, and aggressively traded to plug those holes. Kudos. No-one could foresee our future forward-line impotence at the time, looking at you Tomald and Jake. I had certain doubts about it but I'm still not sure if that game-plan could ever succeed or not over the long run, because the injury [censored] of 2019 and loss of confidence and now increasing pressure on the club has led to Simon putting his guns back in the holster.

He's now juggling declining seniors with fan expectations and our game-style is a compromised nothing mess. We don't have a recognisable brand, in Simon's words. We did in 2017/18. Give him another year. Put it on his shoulders. Do what you want Simon. Ignore the noise and get our boys firing again. Go gung-ho. TL/DR: Lyon isn't the answer. Roos got us nowhere. Simon Goodwin will lead us to a flag if we let him. But I'm afraid you people will [censored] that up, once again. 

 

You could give him 50 yrs but the club would be gone within 4

Can't coach, Stubborn, bereft of ideas how to fix straightforward issues

[Skuit 9,958]

16 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

You could give him 50 yrs but the club would be gone within 4

Can't coach, Stubborn, bereft of ideas how to fix straightforward issues

Keep going jnrmac. How would you coach the club to win a flag? How do you feel about Hardwick and Buckley? My point is that we should back in Goodwin to chase his original plan, rather than undermining it and ending up with a nothing middle ground. And repeating. And repeating. And repeating. What would you do? Fix our club. 

[Northern Summer 292]

On 7/6/2020 at 4:22 PM, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Without Riewoldt & Goddard, he would have done nought.

And he was never able to get CHF  functioning.  that is what cost him the flag.  Oh, and not enough speed on the wings.

He persisted with milne as the main scorer for far too long, in his tenure.

 

Ring any bells anyone.?

Now what has he done for Freo.?  Well he got them off the bottom,  and back again, didn't he.

A couple of sliding door moments:

- In the 2005 Grand Final, Leo Barry doesn't take that mark, WCE kick the sealer, and Roos never becomes a Premiership coach

- In the 2010 Grand Final, the ball bounces the way it would 9 out of 10 times and Milne kicks the sealer.

If this all happened, Roos' public profile would be a smidgen of what it is now - he wouldn't be regarded as a football God, and perhaps, just perhaps, Ross Lyon might be. . 

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

On 7/6/2020 at 4:22 PM, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Without Riewoldt & Goddard, he would have done nought.

Now what has he done for Freo.?  Well he got them off the bottom,  and back again, didn't he.

 

First line is a very strange argument.   What would Hardwick have done without Martin and Riewoldt?

As for what did he do for Freo  -  4 straight finals appearances including a Grand Final.  Something the MFC hasn't done since 1987-1991, even leaving out the Grand Final part.

Edited July 7, 2020 by GoGetRossLyon

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

Can a moderator please change my username to GoGetAFlag.

Whilst I would like Ross The Boss as coach,  I regret having him in my username.  It is not exactly endearing.