11 minutes ago, demonstone said:

My dog once ate some scrabble tiles and his poop made more sense that this post.

idiot, your dog is smarter than you

13 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Have to say my heart sank when I saw so many people effectively undoing all the hard work and sacrifice by the medical profession, in the political sphere and general public over a number of weeks to bring the situation under control. Surely there would be numerous other ways that a creative society could have made this issue front and centre without congregating in such numbers.  

Again, it wasn't caught at the rally, was stood next to same people for about 4 hours not one of us coughed or sneezed, we were all wearing masks, and my self and partner hand sanitized every 15 minutes as a matter of course

Now Victoria Gardens on Sunday afternoon.....

 

Edited June 11, 20205 yr by Satyriconhome

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Again, it wasn't caught at the rally, was stood next to same people for about 4 hours not one of us coughed or sneezed, we were all wearing masks, and my self and partner hand sanitized every 15 minutes as a matter of course

Now Victoria Gardens on Saturday afternoon.....

 

Ikea ? That's brave. Let's hope you find your way back out before the first bounce Saty. 

1 minute ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Ikea ? That's brave. Let's hope you find your way back out before the first bounce Saty. 

Nah, last Sunday chap, wouldn't go near IKEA only buy Australian ????

Watched a woman test every avocado by hand at Coles, putting back any that didn't meet the requirements, decided not to purchase any, was behind her on entry, hand sanitizer, not for her

This hysteria about the march is just that

9 minutes ago, forever demons said:

idiot, your dog is smarter than you

Maybe, but Demonstone is a Border Collie to your Pekingese.

14 minutes ago, forever demons said:

idiot, your dog is smarter than you

Dogs are smarter, they will sniff any a##e, regardless of colour

Edited June 11, 20205 yr by Satyriconhome

This thread could have many better titles, the Waleed Ali thread for instance, whats that loud ticking sound I hear??? Like the crocodile in Peter Pan... Why it's the mods about to shut it down, I can feel the fingers quivering.

1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

Racism isn’t political, it’s not right or left. It’s just racism, it’s horrible and it needs to change in our and many other countries. 

If its underpinned by political decisions and laws,  Or theologies...  then it is, Pol- itical.

28 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Again, it wasn't caught at the rally, was stood next to same people for about 4 hours not one of us coughed or sneezed, we were all wearing masks, and my self and partner hand sanitized every 15 minutes as a matter of course

Now Victoria Gardens on Sunday afternoon.....

 

The VCMO said the 30 year old was contagious at the the time of the rally. The correct mask can help minimise COVID by about 40% only. There is no info on what type of mask he wore.

He could have spread COVID to zero people, he could also have spread it to dozens of people who would now be exponentially spreading to many more people. Which scenario carries more risk?

And so far he's the first attendee from the rally to have tested pos. There could well be more.

Its a no brainer: everyone who attended the rally should self isolate for 2 weeks. Only a blind fool would argue otherwise.

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54 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Have to say my heart sank when I saw so many people effectively undoing all the hard work and sacrifice by the medical profession, in the political sphere and general public over a number of weeks to bring the situation under control. Surely there would be numerous other ways that a creative society could have made this issue front and centre without congregating in such numbers.  

So let me understand this... i'm slow you know. 

SloMo,  wants all state borders open,  all schools open  and people off to work;   I presume Via public transport by most,  breathing one another's air,  within the public carriage.

 

But we cannot protest heartfelt conscientious ideals together.

 

I think,  SloMo is purely a narcissistic opportunist salesman.

 

 

Edited June 11, 20205 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

4 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

The VCMO said the 30 year old was contagious at the the time of the rally. The correct mask can help minimise COVID by about 40% only. There is no info on what type of mask he wore.

He could have spread COVID to zero people, he could also have spread it to dozens of people who would now be exponentially spreading to many more people. Which scenario carries more risk?

And so far he's the first attendee from the rally to have tested pos. There could well be more.

Its a no brainer: everyone who attended the rally should self isolate for 2 weeks. Only a blind fool would argue otherwise.

There is also no concrete evidence he was contagious, there are grey areas on this virus

They say to wear mask if positive, so must be more than 40%

He didn't test positive FROM the rally, he tested positive but he also attended the rally

Why a fool? Is it necessary to name call?

The medical officer also said only if you display symptoms, which you conveniently forget to mention, should you isolate

Strange times when people who didn't attend the rally are hoping that people who did get sick

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

There is also no concrete evidence he was contagious, there are grey areas on this virus

They say to wear mask if positive, so must be more than 40%

He didn't test positive FROM the rally, he tested positive but he also attended the rally

Why a fool? Is it necessary to name call?

The medical officer also said only if you display symptoms, which you conveniently forget to mention, should you isolate

Strange times when people who didn't attend the rally are hoping that people who did get sick

You seem very selective in quoting the wisdom of the VCMO. He said the man was likely contagious at the rally.  That's as concrete as it gets without a test at the time of the rally.

Whether he got it from the rally is not the point - he was likely contagious at the rally. And it's a fact that a mask does not fully protects others. Is the risk worth taking? You should iso for 2 weeks.

No one here is hoping people get sick. That is more lies you have made, straight from the Donald Trump playbook of untruths.

Meanwhile, 16 USA states have just recorded new spikes in COVID cases only a week or so since the BLM rallies. I support the cause, but it's the wrong time to rally here.

Must be difficult for you to admit to being wrong.

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24 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

There is also no concrete evidence he was contagious, there are grey areas on this virus

They say to wear mask if positive, so must be more than 40%

He didn't test positive FROM the rally, he tested positive but he also attended the rally

Why a fool? Is it necessary to name call?

The medical officer also said only if you display symptoms, which you conveniently forget to mention, should you isolate

Strange times when people who didn't attend the rally are hoping that people who did get sick

You do realise that you can be asymptomatic and contagious at the same time?

Who says this person wasn't already sick when attending the protests, and infected other people? He/she may not have known they were unwell, but that doesn't mean much if they infected others and only later showed symptoms. This is precisely why large gatherings is banned, because you may not know you are sick and spread it around to lots of people around you before you yourself realise you are sick.

I am all for supporting this issue. I really am. I think racism is a humanitarian issue that has plagued our society for centuries, and it must be stopped.

Do I think that protesting in the middle of a global pandemic is the thing to do? No.

As someone who has suffered directly from the economic downturn that has come as a result of this virus, and someone who has experienced religious and ethnic profiling and racism, if we get a second wave because of these protests I would be furious.

It is one thing to rally for social justice. It is another thing to do it in a way that endangers the health and well being of our population. This pandemic is still a massive global issue. You don't get to switch it off and ignore it when it suits a specific agenda, no matter how important that agenda may be. 

Edited June 11, 20205 yr by Jaded

1 minute ago, Jaded said:

Who says this person wasn't already sick when attending the protests, and infected other people?

Who says this Police weren't Asymptomatic,  when attending the protests.  None of them,  that I saw,  were wearing face masks.!

But the majority of the protestors were wearing face masks,  and taking precautions.

 

So, IF the protestors were being irresponsible...  then the police were being downright dangerous.!

Just now, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Who says this Police weren't Asymptomatic,  when attending the protests.  None of them,  that I saw,  were wearing face masks.!

But the majority of the protestors were wearing face masks,  and taking precautions.

 

So, IF the protestors were being irresponsible...  then the police were being downright dangerous.!

Sure. But the difference is, police HAD to attend because the public did. No protests, no police presence. So it's slightly different.

 

Some may know of the big virus outbreak among foreign workers in Singapore. They live five or more to a room in massive complexes hidden from view.

Anyway of the 20,000 odd that have so far tested positive about half showed no symptoms ie asymptomatic. Luckily almost none (could be none) have died.

On the subject at hand Collingwood have a problem in their refusal to face up to their behaviour. Eddie typifies that problem

If only people were as passionate about racism for the last 200 years as they have been about a pandemic for the last 3 months...

 

4 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Sure. But the difference is, police HAD to attend because the public did. No protests, no police presence. So it's slightly different.

 

No, they could have observed from a good distance,  just in case.   They did not need to be within 30Mtrs of anyone,  now what if a copper gave it to another copper,  because they weren't wearing masks.?

13 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

So let me understand this... i'm slow you know. 

SloMo,  wants all state borders open,  all schools open  and people off to work;   I presume Via public transport by most,  breathing one another's air,  within the public carriage.

 

But we cannot protest heartfelt conscientious ideals together.

 

I think,  SloMo is purely a narcissistic opportunist salesman.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htruoe0cO1M

Hi MFM. I'm less inclined to take on board the words or motives of any fully grown adult that believes in a fictitious character. In regards to the protest I just think it was a risk that didn't need to be taken just as the greater community starts to come out of lockdown. It's debatable as to whether the protests in the USA would have made any difference to the dumpster fire that is Covid-19 over there right now but we, like NZ have a real chance to snuff it out completely. 

1 hour ago, dpositive said:

Not quit. From reports I have seen A person who attended the rally has tested positive. Apparently wore a mask.

Not that it has anything to do with HL story at Collingwood.

26 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Who says this Police weren't Asymptomatic,  when attending the protests.  None of them,  that I saw,  were wearing face masks.!

But the majority of the protestors were wearing face masks,  and taking precautions.

So, IF the protestors were being irresponsible...  then the police were being downright dangerous.!

Go away and disappear please. You spread lies as well.

Edited June 11, 20205 yr by Moonshadow

13 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Hi MFM. I'm less inclined to take on board the words or motives of any fully grown adult that believes in a fictitious character. In regards to the protest I just think it was a risk that didn't need to be taken just as the greater community starts to come out of lockdown. It's debatable as to whether the protests in the USA would have made any difference to the dumpster fire that is Covid-19 over there right now but we, like NZ have a real chance to snuff it out completely. 

As an overall though I think this line of discussion is totally taking away from the thread title. 

3 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not good..To those people who have said they were compelled to attend the rally on the weekend out of a strong sense of moral obligation, this is the time to prove it. Now that we've had our first positive case, you need to self-isolate for two weeks and get tested. Anything less than that would demonstrate a callous disregard for other people and destroy any moral credibility that those attending the protest had.

'ET', those coppers who sprayed the pepper-spray,  and were not masked, they should also self isolate as well.

 

It is a pity that the Liberal party isn't as concerned about workers getting Asbestosis, Silicosis, and Black-Lung disease.   But they cannot make any political advantage, by mentioning these terminal illnesses.

 

Then there is the decisions of sending our troops into Iraq,  for weapons-of-mass destruction.  What a convenient Lie.

 

Political animals like SloMo, are born to deceive.    Yet they are church goers.

Waleed Aly has to maintain a difficult balance.  I find it fascinating how he manages to routinely irritate 'conservatives' while never quite really, really angering them, and also keep himself within the protective embrace of 'progressives' while never quite being really loved by them.  Students of intersectionality could have a field day examining the complexity of  Muslim, amateur rocker, Australian, host of a news-related evening light chat show, upper middle class Richmond supporter.

And that might not seem like a relevant comment in a Lumumba thread, but actually it speaks volumes of the balancing act that Lumumba eventually didn't manage to sustain. On the other hand, he did manage a decade of high performance at Collingwood before the relationship really broke down. It's not as if he was psychologically unable to pull his head in and focus on football. 

 

1 minute ago, Cards13 said:

As an overall though I think this line of discussion is totally taking away from the thread title. 

Yeah, true Cards. On that subject I'm leaning more towards believing HL to be honest. Thinking back to how the whole horrendous Adam Goodes situation played out Eddie McGuire didn't possess the self awareness to stand down from his position and the club didn't have the cojones to make that call for him.