On 17/09/2019 at 02:00, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not being a game-day test they were only testing for PED’s and not prohibited drugs. I think it’s pretty clear what has happened. 

It's funny; they don't consider illicit drugs performance enhancing except on game day. While I know of the adverse effect, wouldn't any drug that helps you on game day also potentially help you during training/preparation?

  On 17/09/2019 at 02:00, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not being a game-day test they were only testing for PED’s and not prohibited drugs. I think it’s pretty clear what has happened. 

I was under the impression that WADA tests for both PEDs and illicit drugs anytime whereas ASADA only does PEDs.

Is that true @Ethan Tremblay?

This could indicate who tested Willy and what substance he was trying to aviod showing up. 

Edited September 17, 20195 yr by Moonshadow

  On 17/09/2019 at 02:32, Moonshadow said:

I was under the impression that WADA tests for both PEDs and illicit drugs anytime whereas ASADA only does PEDs.

Is that true @Ethan Tremblay?

This could indicate who tested Willy and what substance he was trying to aviod showing up. 

I’m not 100% sure, I just know he was tested on a Tuesday and they only tested for PED’s and not prohibited drugs. Regardless, I’d still be [censored] myself if I had testers rock up to my door on a Tuesday and I’d taken something prohibited I shouldn’t have. 

Edited September 17, 20195 yr by Ethan Tremblay

  On 17/09/2019 at 02:00, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not being a game-day test they were only testing for PED’s and not prohibited drugs. I think it’s pretty clear what has happened. 

This^^^

  On 17/09/2019 at 02:00, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not being a game-day test they were only testing for PED’s and not prohibited drugs. I think it’s pretty clear what has happened. 

He was still stoned? 

  On 17/09/2019 at 04:14, Pennant St Dee said:

This^^^

Of course the WA media are only reporting that he tested negative, they fail to mention they didn’t test for prohibited drugs (not that the test results have any bearing on what he did). Ahhhh the Eagles loving WA media.. 

  On 17/09/2019 at 04:34, Ethan Tremblay said:

Of course the WA media are only reporting that he tested negative, they fail to mention they didn’t test for prohibited drugs (not that the test results have any bearing on what he did). Ahhhh the Eagles loving WA media.. 

a hun article here today reported he was given a subsequent blood test and was negative for peds and illicits. it didn't say what the time delay was between the urine test and the blood test but implying it was soon after.

not making any suggestions, just the messenger

  On 17/09/2019 at 04:40, daisycutter said:

a hun article here today reported he was given a subsequent blood test and was negative for peds and illicits. it didn't say what the time delay was between the urine test and the blood test but implying it was soon after.

not making any suggestions, just the messenger

Either way, it’s abnormal behaviour for someone who doesn’t have anything to worry about. If anyone believes the story he and the Eagles are running with, give me a call I had some magic beans to sell. 

The article I read stated he was only tested for PED’s and returned a negative result. I don’t doubt at some stage he was tested for both though as reported in the HUN. 

Edited September 17, 20195 yr by Ethan Tremblay

  On 17/09/2019 at 05:03, Ethan Tremblay said:

Either way, it’s abnormal behaviour for someone who doesn’t have anything to worry about. If anyone believes the story he and the Eagles are running with, give me a call I had some magic beans to sell. 

The article I read stated he was only tested for PED’s and returned a negative result. I don’t doubt at some stage he was tested for both though as reported in the HUN. 

no doubt there is a lot of uninformed bs floating around and a plethora of apologists.

interesting the afl's first comments were about willie's well being and supporting him, but nothing much about the evils of drug taking and abuse of procedure. they are obviously reluctant partners with asada/wada

i think 4 years suspension seems a bit harsh (given my understanding) but it may be what they are forced to give, given the rules. also disappointed that willie hasn't at least fessed up if he had taken illicits recently, which seems logical.

  On 17/09/2019 at 05:25, daisycutter said:

no doubt there is a lot of uninformed bs floating around and a plethora of apologists.

interesting the afl's first comments were about willie's well being and supporting him, but nothing much about the evils of drug taking and abuse of procedure. they are obviously reluctant partners with asada/wada

i think 4 years suspension seems a bit harsh (given my understanding) but it may be what they are forced to give, given the rules. also disappointed that willie hasn't at least fessed up if he had taken illicits recently, which seems logical.

I think the AFL want to keep rec drugs out of this schemozzle at all costs. Doesn't suit their narrative dc

  On 17/09/2019 at 08:35, Moonshadow said:

I think the AFL want to keep rec drugs out of this schemozzle at all costs. Doesn't suit their narrative dc

i'm surprised the afl hasn't set up a player's safe injecting room at afl docklands

  On 17/09/2019 at 09:54, daisycutter said:

i'm surprised the afl hasn't set up a player's safe injecting room at afl docklands

Don’t go giving Gil any ideas DC. 

  On 17/09/2019 at 00:43, dees189227 said:

Why didn't he drink the drink instead of putting it in the cup? Matthew Lloyd said last night on FC when he was 16 he had to do a sample, the testers were there at 6 and he couldn't provide a sample until 10. I guess Rioli just got impatient and frustrated. Unfortunately now the rumour mill goes into overdrive. 

During "on the couch"   Brownie, said once he couldn't go for about 4 hours. He went to the bar and drank a few while the offical sat next to him, till his bladder was ready. Apparently according to the rules they cannot provide advice or intervene in what the player does.  He said at Brisbane they alway had a club official/club doctor to make sure you follow the rules.  Maybe methcoke needs to implement that process. 

Big Willie is in trouble over a second test. 

 

I understand this was a seperate test but it makes the Eagles defence of ‘he only tampered with the sample because he couldn’t urinate and was frustrated’ look very flimsy. 

Well... This narrative just changed. I'm sure the West Coast PR Spin Department are going into overload at the moment trying to figure out how to fix this.

Edited September 24, 20195 yr by AshleyH30

I can't believe how stupid it was for the AFL to push for non game day testing of recreational drugs. And if i was a player i would refuse to play a single cent to the AFL players association after they agreed to it. I said at the time it would be a nightmare for all concerned and nothing that has occurred since has changed my view.

Be that as it may Willie tested positive to marijuana on game day. So he is stuffed. As he should be. I very much doubt he actually consumed it on game day but THC can stay in the system for up to a month. Which surely he knows. 

 

  On 24/09/2019 at 03:32, Ethan Tremblay said:

I understand this was a seperate test but it makes the Eagles defence of ‘he only tampered with the sample because he couldn’t urinate and was frustrated’ look very flimsy. 

not only separate but 2 weeks after gatorgate and on a game day (+ve for cannabis)

what was he thinking, after the first episode?

  On 24/09/2019 at 03:52, daisycutter said:

not only separate but 2 weeks after gatorgate and on a game day (+ve for cannabis)

what was he thinking, after the first episode?

Arguably, he may not have known about the investigation into him substituting the sample. Most likely, the official would have noted it down and the test would then have been conducted to confirm if it was urine. There would have been no notification to Rioli by the on site official that this was been noted as it may have hampered the investigation. I know some have said he provided a second sample, but I don't know how true that is.

Edited September 24, 20195 yr by AshleyH30

Willie Rioli is a very exciting footballer; a smoking gun!

  On 24/09/2019 at 03:55, AshleyH30 said:

Arguably, he may not have known about the investigation into him substituting the sample. Most likely, the official would have noted it down and the test would then have been conducted to confirm if it was urine. There would have been no notification to Rioli by the on site official that this was been noted as it may have hampered the investigation. I know some have said he provided a second sample, but I don't know how true that is.

even if he didn't know he was rumbled on first occasion, you would think he would be a bit more circumspect in the time following that episode, and certainly avoid anything that might show up on a game day

  On 17/09/2019 at 09:54, daisycutter said:

i'm surprised the afl hasn't set up a player's safe injecting room at afl docklands

They have Gil's office.

  On 24/09/2019 at 04:10, daisycutter said:

even if he didn't know he was rumbled on first occasion, you would think he would be a bit more circumspect in the time following that episode, and certainly avoid anything that might show up on a game day

But as someone posted it can stay in system for up to a month. Therefore when he tampered with the sample he may have used it a few days before and he was concerned. Then second test a couple of weeks later may still show traces.

  On 24/09/2019 at 03:37, AshleyH30 said:

Well... This narrative just changed. I'm sure the West Coast PR Spin Department are going into overload at the moment trying to figure out how to fix this.

They’ll blame ASADA for putting him under stress after charging him with tampering with a sample, ‘he smoked a bong or two to de-stress’.